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Short barreled AR is SBR and tax money + other problems. Pistol AR in 350 legend would be a handful, loaded for 150 yd shots. 357 mag is slightly hotter than 10mm in pistol or carbine. OP was asking about more 'firepower' when backpacking in with a short gun for quick targets.
Whatever!
Thanks Tony, for the direct reply.
Based on the info you provided in this recent post, unless I missed something, I understand what I have read here, & can only say what "I" would do in trying to accomplish the same goals as you described.
Personally, I would go with the .45 rather than the .40 if I was to use the choices ya offered in the OP.
If you would ask why, I would say that, for "me", and since I already have a .45ACp setup, with molds & dies, I would go that way.
You will have to decide what it is that you would like to do, regardless or others.
The reason I say that is that I have found it best in the past to "go with what I know, & have" rather than depend on the possible "whims" of others.
Many times I have had folks say, "Yeah, I'll do it." , or, "Yeah, count me in for that." & then when the time comes( push comes to shove), it is a different story line from them. Either they are no longer interests as much as they thought, don't have the time, or the $$, or any other such reasons they come up with to balk at the doings...
If you already have the 45ACp & the possibility of getting stuff for others & "re-tooling" to do so, then sure, if you can reasonably afford to do so(re-tool, etc.), & see such changes in your future, for your own benefits, then go for it.
But if you have even the slightest feeling that by "tooling up" for something you do not even know if it would be to your benefit, then I would stick with what you already have & know about.
Best wishes & and again, G'Luck!
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Well...a HiPoint carbine is not very short or light and carrying in two rifles makes no sense to me.
I think carrying is a single rifle that does the job is what I would do...but I am old and lazy. Lugging 15+ pounds of metal does not appeal to me.
If rapid repeat shots are a requirement, a 16” AR in .350 will address that and still be good to 200 yards. No tax stamp issues either. I would still get a bolt action but that is me.
Don Verna
If a person already has a 223 AR, there are 350 Legend 16" carbine gas system barrels out there already for
$80. Piece of cake to switch barrels or build an upper in 350 Legend. you do also need a 350 legend magazine or two
as the std 223 mags may not feed well.
beltfed/arnie
I would and did choose the .45 ACP Hi Point. A 255 grain flat nose at 950 fps is a proven combination; like a .45 Colt revolver but in the guise of an autoloading carbine. And it will handle .45 Super, too.
A Trapper length levergun in 357 or 44 mag. would be my first choice, but a 10mm out of your list.
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Bottom line … Bigger holes are always better. I would be launching a .452 250 grainer flat nose at max accuracy / velocity. You want a complete pass through. you want a nice red trail that is easy to follow if need be.
I always ere on using enough rifle plus.
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I bought a Ruger American 450 bushmaster fo the job. I also have a 77/44, Ruger 44 mag carbine, and savage 220 for backups.
What I know: .45ACP is an easy cartridge to run cast in, with a long history of being run in SMG's, SBR's, and carbines. You also have a .45 Colt revolver, so there may be some mold interchangeability in the .452" - .453" range.
What I don't know: It seems the .40S&W might suffer from some of the same cast bullet issues that plague folks when they start shooting cast in 9mm, notably, bullets getting squashed undersize when seating into a short case.
Why not a .45 Colt levergun?
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With your choices, I think you are limiting your range considerably, and not beating shotgun trajectory or velocity by much, if any. For close in shooting, one shot should do the deed regardless. Encumbering yourself with two guns would wear you out, and make it harder to get a gun into action.
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Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
It looks like I am not alone in thinking carrying two guns is a less than stellar idea.
To the OP...before spending money on your carbine, take two guns with you into the woods before deer season and practice not just carrying them, but trying to get a quick shot off while doing so.
Don Verna
Personally, I can't see any realistic situation where one of the High Points would be better at deer killing than your .45-70.
Don, I was just thinking a semiauto 10mm pistol, then backpack the 18" upper, switch in the stand.
Whatever!
I meant pistol length and should have clarified in my original post. I would never advise someone to create a SBR because of the bs you mentioned.
10.5" barreled AR in 45 Super or 460 Rowland would be the bees knees under 100yds. Over 100yds should rule out ANY pistol unless you can hold it to 3" groups at your hunting distance. I don't consider 6" groups acceptable for hunting deer at any distance.
150gr supersonic in my pistol length 300 BO is a handful I admit. 220gr sub is akin to a government model 1911 just in a larger format.
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My parkinsonism that controls walking and balance has made me unable to work in the shop. VOTE RED * PRAY OFTEN You are welcome to message me here or send email to xlordsguitars@gmail.com.
What ever carbine he picks, if it were me, I’d be researching the velocity gains. IMO the whole reason IA went to straight walled pistol so hunters could gain some advantage to longer shots. That’s why I bought a Ruger American 450 Bushmaster. The action is strong enough to handle 460 S&W loads(I tried it) as long as you loctite the scope rail down. Midway/bear creek makes complete 16” and 18” 450 bushmaster uppers that range from $209 to $229 so if you already have a lower your all set. The boolit is .003” smaller in diameter as your 45-70 so you’ll have retained energy at longer ranges vs the smaller calibers. Factory loads with 250 grain j words are 2250 FPS and hornady makes 225 and 220 grain j words to get you to 2500 FPS or more with Sami spec loads. I sit over some 250 yard spots so I don’t mess with cast when I’m out of state and spending four bills on a license looking for a once in a lifetime trophy. Just my opinion take it for what it’s worth.
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I do carry a .45 colt revolver but just not a good enough, to trust my-self with it. Not sure what his purpose for the revolver is.
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Whatever!
Popper, just to look cool or if one come's up and licks me in the face, might take that shot. All, thanks for your response's. I may just keep things as they are and carry the CVA 45/70 only. It's kind of silly to spend the money as I just give the meat to my hunting buddy, the wife will not eat it. Anymore, I hunt just to get out of the house and make winter feel, a bit shorter.
Tony
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