Ed Harris "The Load"

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Has anyone use this load in their rifles? I would like to try it in my Mosin Nagant M44 but would like to know what others have done with it.

http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum...87&forum_id=22

thanks

[bruce drake]

Check the search button on this forum. Its a great starting load for many military surplus rifles.

[racepres]

Absolutely!!!
My '06 loves it..I backed off for 7X57 tho...Just a bit.
I don't see a tremendous advantage over Unique tho...Maybe a very little bit cheaper...maybe.

[WILCO]

Has anyone use this load in their rifles? I would like to try it in my Mosin Nagant M44 but would like to know what others have done with it.

I tried it in my M44 with dismal results. Keyholing and shotgunning were the order of the day.
Life intervened and haven't tried it since. I believe it works though, just need to do my part in putting it all together.

[WILCO]

I would like to try it in my Mosin Nagant M44 but would like to know what others have done with it.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-54R-1st-loads

[GhostHawk]

Works in the Mosin although I ended up down at 10 grains of Red Dot.

Works great in the .444 marlin also.

[3006guns]

I've used it in 30-06 (good), 8x57 Mauser (excellent) and 15 grains in a 6.5 Jap of all things. The 15 grain load will ring the gong at 200 yards every time if I do my part.

That 16 grain load in any "full size" military cartridge is an excellent starting point for most guns.

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Hey thanks guys. I wasn't going to go to the 13gr but about 10gr or so to start. So even with the low volume of powder in the 7.62x54r case there are no pressure problems? Since the load isn't published in the books I wanted to get some verification before I try it.
I will check the link, thanks. I am assuming much less recoil. Is it pretty accurate? Just looking for a load that won't beat me up and can afford to shoot.
Can this load be use without GC boolits?

Read the posts. Very interesting. I think I'll give it a try.

[GhostHawk]

Nope, no problems of any sort here. I am using the .312 185 gr gas checked beagled to .315 and sized and applied gas check in a .314 lee sizer.

CCI large rifle primers. Load 5 and cycle them through until they are gone.

Easy enough on the shoulder, accurate enough to kill a deer or man as far as you can see the iron sights clearly. My old eyes kept me mostly shooting at the 50 yard area.

I also like 20 grains of IMR 4895. But the Red Dot load burns half as much powder so half the cost. YMMV

[tdoyka]

i use trail boss, unique, rel7 and h4198 in my 30-40 krag and my 444 marlin.

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Can anyone tell me the velocity of a 180 gr cast boolit with 13r or Red Dot in a M44? I know this is a stretch but I am trying to use Red Dot and keep the velocity less than 1500fps. In other words I would rather not GC my boolits. The boolits I will be using are Missouri Hi-Tek 180grain. Actually any info concerning Red Dot velocities in the M44 would be helpful.
thanks

[GhostHawk]

I suspect you will have to cut that load in half.

Try 7 grains in a clean barrel and look closely for leading.
Then walk up until you see leading and mark which loads are most accurate.

I am guessing you will find the sweet spot between 7 and 9 grains.

I shoot mine checked so it is not an issue for me.

I'll try to grab a peek at my Lymans #3 and see what they have listed.

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Oh Ok thanks. I really didn't know if I could go that lite a load. I just want to keep it under 1500fps. Missouri Bullet co they were good to 1600fps but I wanted a margin of error there. What mold are you using?

[Outpost75]

In the .30-'06 the 13 grain Red Dot load is right at 1600 fps with #311299. If you want to shoot #311299 or similar without the GC 6 grains of Red Dot is about 1000 fps, 7 grains about 1100, 8 grains about 1200 and 9 grains about 1350 fps. More than 9 grains in the '06 requires a gascheck and I absolutely would not exceed the 13 grains with a cast bullet heavier than 180 grains.

[hardy]

Yep,9 grains of Promo ,Lee TL155,Recluse Lube no gas check and no leading was the best plinking load I could find.Good out to 200 yards with silly little iron sights in a 2groove sporter.
Cheers,Mike

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Thanks guys. Just getting some info together to see what my options are. Cast for a bunch of pistol calibers but never cast for rifle. I powder coat all my pistol bullets. Now, only because I don't know. Has anyone gas checked powder coated rifle bullets? Is there any reason not to do this?
I think I will start at 8gr of Red Dot for the m44.

[Donor8x56r]

I do use that load since 1999.Read up whole article by Mr.Harris-there is a lot more to be learned there than just "The Load".

[racepres]

I do use that load since 1999.Read up whole article by Mr.Harris-there is a lot more to be learned there than just "The Load".

Yep, I still have the printed article from a Magazine...

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Planning to load up some 7.62x54R in a day or so using "The Load" cast and Red Dot. Where is a good starting point of OAL?

thanks

[Outpost75]

Planning to load up some 7.62x54R in a day or so using "The Load" cast and Red Dot. Where is a good starting point of OAL?

OAL depends upon throat and bullet profile. In my Finn M39 I seat GC of NOE #314299 to the base of the neck and just shoot. Throat is too long to seat bullet out to touch, so I don't worry about it. More importannt to have adequate neck tension for good ignition.