Do you expect another panic buying spree?

[RogerDat]

Do you think threads such as this encourage those that might not even think of it or notice shortage without encouragement to go check? Just wondering if the enemy of adequate supply is us.

I guess my credit card is sort of like a loan but if I buy a years worth of stuff and pay it off in two months.... But heck no I can't imagine a loan for consumable items. Be too much like those people that used home equity loans to buy vacations rather than concrete assets. One thing to borrow at low rate to buy car using home as collateral, entirely different to use the money for a two week cruise. Or even to pay of higher rate credit card. But buying powder that one is going to burn up at the range? Be like buying gas for the car on a bank loan.

[bubba.50]

not only will it happen, it's already started.

[B. Lumpkin]

Do you think threads such as this encourage those that might not even think of it or notice shortage without encouragement to go check? Just wondering if the enemy of adequate supply is us.

I guess my credit card is sort of like a loan but if I buy a years worth of stuff and pay it off in two months.... But heck no I can't imagine a loan for consumable items. Be too much like those people that used home equity loans to buy vacations rather than concrete assets. One thing to borrow at low rate to buy car using home as collateral, entirely different to use the money for a two week cruise. Or even to pay of higher rate credit card. But buying powder that one is going to burn up at the range? Be like buying gas for the car on a bank loan.

As I said, it is poor advice to take out a loan for consumables, lol.

[JSnover]

Continued/accelerated panic if Hillary wins, possible riots if Trump wins. They already showed us what they're willing to do at his rallies.

[RogerDat]

As I said, it is poor advice to take out a loan for consumables, lol.

True enough, you pointed out the error of such an approach, which I totally agree with. You do have to wonder if anyone with a home equity line of credit bought a new Dillon or 48# of powder & 50,000 primers recently.

Continued/accelerated panic if Hillary wins, possible riots if Trump wins. They already showed us what they're willing to do at his rallies.

Hmm, fights or rather minor scuffles at rallies vs. full on riots. Wonder which side will riot, or is a revolution different than a riot?

You know what? I think on Wed not much will have changed. The extremes on both sides will still be yelling at each other or posting hyperbole, the supporters will still be as locked in as always, the non-aligned folks will be just as fed up with the BS dished out by the mouth pieces on TV, Radio, and in print. All the pointless pundits. And we will all agree was one nasty election, reaching a new low for modern times. And the world will continue to turn, day will follow night. I will go reload some .38 special and cast up some .224 and so it goes. No drama, nothing to see, get back to living our lives.

[NoAngel]

I look at this from another angle.

I think this is great. Certainly NOTHING great about Hillary being president BUT, panic buying dumps a LOT of money into the economy. OUR economy, the GUN economy. The more money those companies have, the more their employees have, the harder they work to crank out more AND, the more those companies have to throw at BS lawsuits and legislation. The more those employees crank out, the more lands in private hands. There's already more small arms and ammunition than ANY government could hope to remove by force or law. Just NOT possible.
The more people panic buy, the more they stash, hide and ferret away.
When/IF something does go down.....the opposition just has that steeper a hill to climb and THAT is something we can all appreciate.

So go buy it people! Clear out the shelves. People just like me and you will reap the reward.

[Garyshome]

I'll let you know after the election.

[Morgan61]

I'm more worried that I'd be left sitting on a few thousand bucks worth of stuff I won't be able to shoot if Hillary manages to shut down the shooting ranges.
With that thought in mind I haven't gone overboard with hoarding but I do have enough to last me quite a number of years..

[B. Lumpkin]

True enough, you pointed out the error of such an approach, which I totally agree with. You do have to wonder if anyone with a home equity line of credit bought a new Dillon or 48# of powder & 50,000 primers recently.

I wouldn't use a HELOC.

[kevin]

yeah, defiantly never stopped where i live(at least according to the thick layer of dust on the primer and powder stock shelves)seems like everybody's still buying hard.

Idaho

[2ndAmendmentNut]

I think a lot of the buying going on right now are very novice reloaders. I haven't noticed it much on this forum, but I frequent about a half dozen other gun related forums. Almost all the new threads a very basic reloading questions. A lot of guys seem to have bought whatever was on the shelf.


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[Butchman205]

I think a lot of the buying going on right now are very novice reloaders. I haven't noticed it much on this forum, but I frequent about a half dozen other gun related forums. Almost all the new threads a very basic reloading questions. A lot of guys seem to have bought whatever was on the shelf.

I have noticed a big uptick on folks learning the reloading/hand loading craft.

For many years you could buy all you wanted of whatever loaded ammo you needed. That changed in the last ten years.

Many new shooters and many new reloaders have emerged. I would think most are loading for shooting sports and hunting, but there's also a good many folks that have learned to shoot and roll their own...due to the modern day political climate.

It's kinda like young folks laughing at old folks, that head to their storm shelter when there's a possibility of tornadoes...until they are affected firsthand by a tornado wiping out parts of their town or community.

Shortly after a major tornado event happens, the young folks that laughed at the idea of having a storm shelter...all of a sudden can't wait to get their own.

-Butchman

[paraord]

Im a relatively new reloader/caster (compared to many on this site). My main reason for doing so wasn't lack of availability, or cost savings (huge bonus), but the satisfaction that I made THAT. I think you have 2 groups coming out of my generation (Late 20's early 30's) those who have no clue how to do a damn thing, and those who do everything they can to do whatever they can themselves. Its hard to find a middleground in my experience with my own little part of the country.

That said, as many have already said, if Killary wins expect widespread panic buying. It slowed down here in NYS after the safe act dust settled a year ago. Took long enough for that dust to settle and hopefully one day that garbage act will be tossed out but it hasnt yet.

If Trump wins I expect to see strong buying as well but not PANIC buying where everyone buys anything they can get their hands on just because. I can say I've done my part for the latter scenario.

[B. Lumpkin]

I popped into the gun counter about an hour ago. Long line, and all the AR's (There were over 10 of them there yesterday) sold. I bought another case of 22lr and went on about my business.

[dragon813gt]

I'm close to Cabelas so I will pop in on my way home. I have a feeling they will have lots of guns available for sale. Some components won't be there. Powder will be hit and miss w/ high(relative) prices. And lots of ammo available. I will report back if things are different. If they are out of guns a revolution is going to happen :laugh:

[Kestrel4k]

First people have for the most part been stocking up for months if not years, at least the re-loaders have, and I think most that purchase ammo for competitive shooting have increased inventory on hand to deal with unreliable inventory available for purchase. So these people should be pretty well set. After all if you have been looking for a pound of 2400 for 3 months and find some you are probably going to buy one or two extra. So been plenty of normal human motivation to accumulate some extra in our own "pantry". Not to mention the purchase of something different during the worst of the shortages, that now sits in reserve since you can get your regular choice. S&B primers instead of CCI or Titegroup instead of Red Dot etc.

That leaves the clueless and hoarding/flipping buyers. To be fair there may have been some folks that wanted to increase stash but were not able to afford it in any meaningful amounts. But then many of those can't afford to drive a run either.

And of course those doing a bit of last minute "just in case" I'll pick up a couple more boxes of primers to go with the 10k I already have... But that said I was at Cabela's Dundee and they had powder with almost none sold out, and primers. There was one size of CCI gone from the shelf but still had CCI in most sizes, plus all sizes of S&B primers. I guess I could have asked if they had more of that size of CCI primer in stock but I don't need them so I didn't bother. I might have bought an 8# of Varget if they had any left but didn't feel the need to buy any more 1# Varget which they did have in stock. The price was $202 for the 8# so I might not have bought it even if they had it. I'm not low on it, but I do have an awful lot of .223 brass so having an awful lot of powder for them on hand sort of makes sense.

So some hit or miss, short term Out of Stock items as people scramble to buy last minute but most are prepared or as others have pointed out money already spent that can be spent to purchase a luxury item. Hard to justify "one more" gun or ammo purchase when you already have plenty.

Oh and I totally don't see any rapid change in the law as long as Republicans control the House of Representatives. If they retain control of the Senate then the most that the President can do is nibble around the edges of gun laws. Would have a hard time getting any proposed legislation out of committee. Or do you think Obama was pro-gun so he didn't want to pass gun regulations during the last 8 years? Hillary isn't much of a change in the whole dynamic of gun regulation, same base of voters as Obama, same general views on gun regulations. No better but then again no worse either. She will do "something" of little significance on her own or introduce a bill but it can and probably will be stopped in the Congress unless Democrats control both House and Senate.

As for a revolution? I'm thinking some people have some very weird fantasies, ones they might better keep to themselves. Otherwise people might think you are as weird as your wishful thinking.... of course hoping for a zombie apocalypse is perfectly acceptable, and reasonable, don't ya know.

Outstanding post beginning-to-end; to quote one of my heroes Charlie Munger, "I have nothing further to add".

[dragon813gt]

Okay, so here is a pic of the "panic" in this area.


The entire shelf was full. It's the most powder I've ever seen them have. Even saw Trail Boss. They had plenty of primers of all types. Plenty of ARs and other "evil rifles". Pallets of 223 ammo were on the floor in multiple locations. Plenty of Pmags, $12 but that's down from their normal price of $15. They even had Savage 99s for under $500. Almost bought one for $450 on price alone because it was in good shape. Then I turned it over and saw that the receiver was drilled and tapped on the side for some janky scope mount. Needless to say there seems to be no panic around here.

[B. Lumpkin]

Interesting and thank you for the update.

[dragon813gt]

Make no mistake. If Hillary wins tonight the pallets of 223 ammo will be gone by closing tomorrow. And the ARs may be gone by the end of the weekend. Maybe people are just hopeful that Trump will win and are just going about life as usual.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Okay, so here is a pic of the "panic" in this area.


The entire shelf was full. It's the most powder I've ever seen them have. Even saw Trail Boss. They had plenty of primers of all types. Plenty of ARs and other "evil rifles". Pallets of 223 ammo were on the floor in multiple locations. Plenty of Pmags, $12 but that's down from their normal price of $15. They even had Savage 99s for under $500. Almost bought one for $450 on price alone because it was in good shape. Then I turned it over and saw that the receiver was drilled and tapped on the side for some janky scope mount. Needless to say there seems to be no panic around here.

Holy sheep! That's the most powder I have seen since 2004.


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