Friend had a totally tricked out 650 he was wanting to sell. Wound up trading him a pistola for it. Both of us are happy, and the values of each are fairly equivalent. Never understood the attraction for these things, but after spending the past few hours taking it apart and going over it, all I can say is WOW. Granted, if there was something on this that could have been upgraded or improved, it was. Even still, I am impressed, and since I fix complex things for a living, and my main gripe is poor engineering, impressing me is not a simple task. Main complaint I can see so far is going to be the cost of caliber conversions! Ouch. And I do NOT like what I see so far with the powder through expander design. Might be ok for jacketed, but will not work for cast. And I almost got a hernia packing this beast into the house!