Government Gun Free Zones

[Duckiller]

Don't know about other States but in California our LEOs have CCW permits. I am sure that some people with CCW permits just bought their gun ,but several CCW holders have been shooting for some time. Just because you have a handgun doesn't mean you are going to successfully take on someone with a long gun.

[Char-Gar]

At most of the FOBs overseas everyone is carrying a weapon, many locked and loaded, and though it happens it's rare to have a negligent discharge. When trained soldiers are given weapons it is much different than a civilian that gets a CC permit with little to no knowledge of how to operate a gun, and most here will support allowing anyone to exercise their 2A rights. So why not a trained soldier?

actually I agree with you, but apparently the US military dies not and this is nothing new which was the point of my post. I have been to Israel three times and every IDF soldier you see, male or female, on duty, or off duty, has their rifle with a loaded mag at all times. They seem to make it work, so why can't we. I think it is a generations old fear of the average soldier by the leaders of the military. I guess that is because up to know they have been safe on American soil. The IDF knows the battlefield is where ever they are standing at any given moment.

[sparky45]

actually I agree with you, but apparently the US military dies not and this is nothing new which was the point of my post. I have been to Israel three times and every IDF soldier you see, male or female, on duty, or off duty, has their rifle with a loaded mag at all times. They seem to make it work, so why can't we. I think it is a generations old fear of the average soldier by the leaders of the military. I guess that is because up to know they have been safe on American soil. The IDF knows the battlefield is where ever they are standing at any given moment.

And that's just one more thing BeBe could teach POTUS.

[Omega]

actually I agree with you, but apparently the US military dies not and this is nothing new which was the point of my post. I have been to Israel three times and every IDF soldier you see, male or female, on duty, or off duty, has their rifle with a loaded mag at all times. They seem to make it work, so why can't we. I think it is a generations old fear of the average soldier by the leaders of the military. I guess that is because up to know they have been safe on American soil. The IDF knows the battlefield is where ever they are standing at any given moment.

I guess if we keep going down this road with these terrorists, we can look forward to a well armed society.

[NavyVet1959]

Obviously we just need another new law... Maybe something along the line of it being illegal to shoot military personnel?

With respect to arming all of the military personnel, you have to remember that not every member of the military gets training in firearms. Some get a small amount of time at the range in boot camp and some don't even get that. The people who are in the recruitment centers are not necessarily even combat vets or even from MOSs / ratings that are combat related.

There is also the hesitation of the American populace to have all of the military personnel armed since it gives the appearance of an of an occupying / oppressive force. Just look at the opposition to the Jade Helm operation...

[Omega]

Obviously we just need another new law... Maybe something along the line of it being illegal to shoot military personnel?

With respect to arming all of the military personnel, you have to remember that not every member of the military gets training in firearms. Some get a small amount of time at the range in boot camp and some don't even get that. The people who are in the recruitment centers are not necessarily even combat vets or even from MOSs / ratings that are combat related.

There is also the hesitation of the American populace to have all of the military personnel armed since it gives the appearance of an of an occupying / oppressive force. Just look at the opposition to the Jade Helm operation...

Yea, that's the ticket; deny them their second amendment rights because of the fear of those around them. Where have we heard that before? Oh yea, all the gun grabbers trying to disarm us all.

[NavyVet1959]

Yea, that's the ticket; deny them their second amendment rights because of the fear of those around them. Where have we heard that before? Oh yea, all the gun grabbers trying to disarm us all.

Oh, we were denied quite a few of our rights when we were in the military.

I'm not saying that I agree with the reasoning, but I'm just pointing out the concern that some people have. Personally, I think that they should have the same rights as everyone else with respect to carrying of firearms. If the military has access to $1000 fully automatic M4s, then WE should also be able to buy them for the same price and carry them. Actually, I read that with one of the latest bids for a M4 contract, the price was below $600.

If a state does not allow the citizens to open carry a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, then the military should also not be allowed to do it. Fair is fair.

[Omega]

Oh, we were denied quite a few of our rights when we were in the military.

I'm not saying that I agree with the reasoning, but I'm just pointing out the concern that some people have. Personally, I think that they should have the same rights as everyone else with respect to carrying of firearms. If the military has access to $1000 fully automatic M4s, then WE should also be able to buy them for the same price and carry them. Actually, I read that with one of the latest bids for a M4 contract, the price was below $600.

If a state does not allow the citizens to open carry a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, then the military should also not be allowed to do it. Fair is fair.

Well, call me a glass half full kind of guy, but I believe if the state allows its citizens to carry then the military should also be allowed. And while I disagree about the price due to bulk buys, we should be allowed any small arms we can afford.

[smokeywolf]

One of the reasons the majority of military personnel can't get the permission or the resources needed to protect themselves is because those with the authority to change military policy lack the motivation to do so because they themselves have round the clock protection.
Too bad that the lives of lower ranking military personnel are not seen as deserving of the same protections as those of higher ranking officers.

[Echo]

No, the water is not muddy nor is your post unclear. However, questions asked, often produce answers that are not always strictly in line with the question.

I don't believe the situation is anything new. Unless part of a guard or security detail, military people are not allowed to have weapons and ammo with them. It has been this way since the mind of man remembereth not. They have no "rights" as you put it. They can only do what the military allows them to do. There are plenty of negligent discharges on the range or by guards, to allow hundreds of thousands of military people to wander through their day wagging loaded weapons with them wherever they go.

Back in the day, cavalry sabers were made and issued blunt with a "U" shaped edge. Some officers thought the sabers should be sharp, but the Army decided the average trooper with a razor sharp sabers was a danger to himself, his fellow troopers and the horse. More damage would be inflicted on the innocent than on the enemy.

Posting an armed guard at these places might be a good idea, but just filling military building with armed soldiers might not be a swift idea.

Plus One, Mate. Accidental discharges would kill or injure more people than insurgent terrorists. Senior NCO's should have firearms available, but all personnel should not be armed.

[NavyVet1959]

Well, call me a glass half full kind of guy, but I believe if the state allows its citizens to carry then the military should also be allowed. And while I disagree about the price due to bulk buys, we should be allowed any small arms we can afford.

The thing is, a fully automatic M4 or M16 is not any more expensive than a semi-auto AR15 once you take away the supply restrictions that the NFA and FOPA create. I don't have any particular desire to have a fully auto rifle since that would just mean that I would spend even more hours reloading for each actual *minute* of shooting, but I find it offensive that an unconstitutional government "law" would artificially inflate prices as much as it has.

[762 shooter]

How is the argument that some people/personnel should be allowed to carry weapons and some should not any different than only LEOS and Military should be allowed and civilians not?

That is the slippery slope my friend. Once you agree that not all sane, law abiding citizens should have 2A rights you've fallen into the rabbit's hole. The rights should be for all, whether trained or idiots or trained to be idiots. I'll take my chances.

762

[Omega]

The thing is, a fully automatic M4 or M16 is not any more expensive than a semi-auto AR15 once you take away the supply restrictions that the NFA and FOPA create. I don't have any particular desire to have a fully auto rifle since that would just mean that I would spend even more hours reloading for each actual *minute* of shooting, but I find it offensive that an unconstitutional government "law" would artificially inflate prices as much as it has.

Oh, I agree about the NFA, but I doubt you can buy say an M9/Beretta 92 for the same price the military buys them for, heck most police departments get a better deal than the general public. No, the NFA adds $ restrictions but I highly doubt we would see any fast reduction in the price if the NFA would be gone tomorrow. What would silencers sell for tomorrow if that were to happen? How about RDIAS? At least with RDIAS I would understand that manufacturing would have to catch up, but silencers are all over the place, yet it would take awhile for that price to be reduced.

[Roosters]

This happened yesterday in Georgia
GAINESVILLE, Ga. —
A Navy recruiter is recovering after he accidentally shot himself in the leg at the Armed Forces Recruiting Center in Gainesville.
Gainesville police say the shooting happened around 11 a.m. at the location on Dawsonville Highway.
The man was taken to the Northeast Georgia Medical Center in Gainesville and listed in stable condition Friday afternoon.
Soldiers are not allowed to bring guns inside the center, but Channel 2 Action News confirmed the gun was the recruiter's personal weapon.The shooting came about 24 hours after a gunman targeted a recruitment center in Tennessee, killing four service members.
A link to the story---- http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...-gaines/nm2Tp/

[quilbilly]

I just think it is a bit ironic but not surprising that in many states the only people not allowed to carry concealed or otherwise are criminals and military personnel.

[DCP]

This happened yesterday in Georgia
GAINESVILLE, Ga. —
A Navy recruiter is recovering after he accidentally shot himself in the leg at the Armed Forces Recruiting Center in Gainesville.
Gainesville police say the shooting happened around 11 a.m. at the location on Dawsonville Highway.
The man was taken to the Northeast Georgia Medical Center in Gainesville and listed in stable condition Friday afternoon.
Soldiers are not allowed to bring guns inside the center, but Channel 2 Action News confirmed the gun was the recruiter's personal weapon.The shooting came about 24 hours after a gunman targeted a recruitment center in Tennessee, killing four service members.
A link to the story---- http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...-gaines/nm2Tp/

This is why you don't carry a weapon with 1 in the chamber. in a gun free zone

[Garyshome]

Another bang up job by .Gov of protecting it's citizens

[sixshot]

The same people that have gun accidents are the same people that have car accidents or boating accidents. I've been a range officer for many years & have to warn the same people all the time, they never learn, even after years of shooting competition. I also teach a ladies handgun class & one of the things I ask them is, would you make a long trip without your spare tire. I get several different answers, most tell me that they would not make a long trip although they seldom if ever need it. Then I ask them if they would make a long trip without a handgun, it really gets them thinking when I compare the two questions. If you choose to be a victim, its your choice. No soldier, when in uniform should be on duty with out being armed, my opinion anyway.

Dick

[9.3X62AL]

This is why you don't carry a weapon with 1 in the chamber. in a gun free zone

Huh? I have done so for 38 years safely. It is no huge burden to keep a finger off the trigger until you have target acquisition. To paraphrase a Sturm-Ruger ad from some years back--there has never been a foolproof firearm. So--FOOLS SHOULD LEAVE THE THINGS ALONE.

[country gent]

Be interesting to know the angle the shot went in at least was he playing with te gun and it went off? Did the gun fall from carry and fire? or was he shoing it to coworker friend and it went off. In a desk drawer and slamed bumped and fired? All are possibilities here. Not enough given info to know what actually happened. Most factories, places of buisness dont allow employes to carry on the job or on premisis. Some dont even want them in parking lots. Interestingly when I went for Social Security hearing on disability We went thru 3 diffrent metal detectors and were "wanded" at the court rooms lobby. Had to empty pockets also. Think about it this level of protection for a court room but all others are left hanging in the wind?