Venison and GMO corn

[tonyjones]

outdoorfan,

I am not aware of any studies documenting the change in nutrient content of deer that have been fed corn, GMO or otherwise, as opposed to their native diet. However, there is a vast amount of scientific literature on the nutrient content of grass fed beef and bison as opposed to those that have been fed corn. Grass fed beef and bison have the same healthy ratio of omega 3 and omega 6 EFA's as wild caught salmon. Further, grass fed beef and bison have high levels of CLA while salmon does not. There is also a lot of data that confirms the health benefits/nutrient content of pastured pork and poultry as opposed to that which has been produced conventionally. Ranchers that produce grass fed/pastured animals tend not to use growth hormone or antibiotics and most are happy to provide certification of same. The nutrient profile of grass fed IS superior. Similarly, the health benefits of eating grass fed/pastured is considerable.

I strongly suspect that venison from an animal that has existed on it's native diet as opposed to that which has eaten a considerable amount of corn, is superior from a nutritional standpoint.

Regards,

Tony

[outdoorfan]

Tony, I agree with you 100%. I am not aware of any studies done on the nutritional content of deer when there is some gmo corn in their diet (it certainly doesn't seem to make them taste any worse, as far as I'm concerned); but if anybody bothered to watch that link that I posted, it would seem that animals that have been eating gmo grains are going to be much less healthy than ones that aren't. I don't want to use the terms "always" and "never", but it seems that the general trend would have to be there.

[jcwit]

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting any further on this thread that I started. I can see very clearly the type of mentality that you have. You have stated your position very well. Thank you for that. And now you are acting in a way that is childish. I would prefer to not have you dominating this thread anymore with your "opinions". Thank you.

So you can post your opinions,such as they are, but others can not post?

Looks like censorship to me. How so is Internet hogwash childish?

And where is your document supporting what you say?

And just how am I dominating?

[jcwit]

All I'm asking is support your opinions with current facts, which no one has done. Postings claiming I've read this or heard that hold no water.

[Geraldo]

Science is bad, learning is bad, progress is bad. Back to the old ways. Turn off the lights and live in a cave. 40 years is enough for anyone.

This is like an old folk's home on the Internet.

You've got my vote for best post ever!

[xdmalder]

All I'm asking is support your opinions with current facts, which no one has done. Postings claiming I've read this or heard that hold no water.

Plenty of info out there. I really don't feel like caving in to your obsessive ranting. Mary gave you a sight and blew it off by saying it is "2 years old?". Seriously. And your dominating this thread by nearly making 25% of the comments. 30 out of 125.

[jcwit]

Well I'm off the VA Hospital for tests today, so you folks have a good time. I'm likely getting tests because of my old age of 72, having nothing to do with anything I ate, but I have no studies to support this.

By supporting facts, these sould be actual studies made by Universities or folks knowing what they are talking about, after all anyone can write a book and lots of folks fall for it.

Furthermore the link supplies is nothing more than a Magazine for farmers.

I really don't feel like caving in to your obsessive ranting.

No reason you need to, just stating my opinion which is supported by others here that likely know whereof they speak, see posts 70, 73, & 75.

Have fun.

[outdoorfan]

God created every plant on earth and every chemical we use to treat them. God also created cancer and every other disease. God didn't want us to live here forever he wants us to come back to him in heaven. Ever think that maybe these side effects and diseases they cause aren't part of Gods plan to slow the population growth until we come up with better ways to feed the earths population?

People put way more thought into staying alive then they do on how to spend the time they have here doing what Jesus said we must. If your the type that stresses over everything you eat and breath then your probably not going to live a bit longer then some layed back fat guy that smokes. Stress kills as much or more then cancer does. I figure I have on shot on earth. Ive made it 60 years and if you would have asked me at 20 if I would have made it this far id have probably laughed in your face. Personaly id rather live 70 years eating food that tastes great, having an occasional beer and enjoying life then I would if I made 80 eating rabbit food and running around with a doctors mask on to filter the pollution and germs. Genetically altered plants are NEEDED to feed the population of the earth and will be need even more in the future. Sure you can say maybe we have to many people and should address that but I doubt if your going to volunteer to help those numbers.

Lloyd, I don't know if GMO crops are needed to feed the earth's population, but I have a feeling it isn't. That is my opinion because I am not an expert and don't really know. If anybody watches that link that I posted to "Genetic Roulette", it should be both eye-opening and thought provoking to see deeper into what GMO is about.

I do believe that God is sovereign over everything, and He uses evil to advance His purposes, as well. It says in Leviticus 19:19 - "...Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed..."

I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I'm pretty sure the idea of GMO, and the purpose behind it, is abominable in the eyes of the Lord.

I agree that worrying about anything is also considered sin by God. So, people that are always worked up over stuff are not helping their health at all. Stress can really weaken the immune system, I have no doubt.

[outdoorfan]

Gentlemen, The BT in GMO BT corn stands for bacillus thuringiensis, a naturally occurring bacteria in soil that has insecticidal properties. Corn was modified to produce this bacteria to control corn ear worms and rootworms. If you've ever husked sweet corn and found ear worms in the kernals you might feel differently about the use of BT corn. The root worms attack and destroy the corn's root system. This leads to much lower yields because the corn cannot absorb nutrients from the soil and the corn plant root system cannot support the plant. It simply falls over and dies. 20 Years ago we controlled root worms on the corn by using Organo Phosphate Pesticides. This stuff was so deadly that 2 teaspoons full would kill a full grown cow in about a half hour. People cried and whined about these terrible insecticides and their indiscriminate killing of earthworms and other beneficial insecticides. In response geneticists came up with BT corn that produced a relatively harmless, corm worm specific, natural bacterium. For their efforts and the dollars they invested they get only belly aching from those who don't know the background and progress this represents. By the way, bacillus thuringiensis bacterium has had the approval for ORGANIC FARM use for over 50 years. Organic farmers may apply the bacterium directly to soils and crops with wheeled equipment and crop dusting planes. So much for organic purity.

This goes right along with RBST free milk. All milk from all mammals contains Somatatrophins. The milk from ALL cows contains, appropriately named, Bovine Somatatrophin (BST). In the 1980s Monsanto developed a way to manufacture synthetic BST. They did this in much the same way that we manufacture human insulin. The BST producing gene is spliced to a fast growing bacteria. The bacteria is killed by pasteurization leaving behind the recombinant BST (rBST). Cows injected with rBST eat more feed and produce more milk. This is done in the same sized facilities, requiring the same capital investment with the same labor cost as that cow producing less milk. BST and rBST are virtually indistinguishable in milk both in structure and quantity. More importantly, both are simple proteins that are completely digested in the human stomach with NO hormonal properties. The resulting efficiencies are one of the things that keep some farmers farming. Consumers want the best food, bug free, GMO free, hormone free, disease free, etc. And they want it cheap. Sorry folks. No such thing as a free lunch.

Sorry for the rant but I worked as farmer from the age of about 6 until I was 32. Then, for the last 30 years, I have worked in on farm quality control for a major food manufacturer. It gets really frustrating to listen to the buzzwords come and go, to watch farmers continuously try to meet consumer expectations and get no compensation for trying to do so. RD

I forgot to comment to this. Thanks for posting. You are saying that the BT is harmless. That's where I have big concerns. There seems to be plenty of evidence to the contrary. I guess time will continue to tell, but right now there seems to be some real health-related issues with the processed food that people eat. Whether BT is a contributor or not, it seems that it could be.

I totally agree that people generally want too much in the sense that they want cheap quality food. No free lunch. Right on!

[outdoorfan]

By supporting facts, these sould be actual studies made by Universities or folks knowing what they are talking about, after all anyone can write a book and lots of folks fall for it.

Of course you have a good point, but the problem as I see it is imbedded in my previous post when I briefly described how organizations with lots of money can create their own science (version of events). Then they can control the propagation of it, while limiting the voices of those who disagree. The masses then gravitate towards these "facts", which they hear all the time on TV, etc.

It is very obvious to me that you are one of those folks who buys into their "facts", and needs to see the data coming from one of their universities, etc to believe what is being said. I will not waste time trying to convince you of otherwise, because I've wasted too much time in the past with people of your mentality. I don't disrespect you. You simply fall in to the category of the masses. You have your place in the structure of things. I accept that it is the way it is. No problem. I don't worry about it or lose any sleep over it.

But here's where I wish people like yourself could expand your understanding and see beyond the surface info. There are many people who are experts in the field but perhaps don't have the paper credentials that people like you are looking for. They sometimes (not always) bring expert technical facts to the table that those with paper credentials will not or are ignorant of. Remember, often times those with paper credentials, as it applies to the medical, pharma, financial, scholastic, you name it field are tightly controlled by the structure they are in. That structure was set up by powerful people who have an agenda to push. And most of the time the info seen on TV is a result of decisions and agendas set long ago by people most of the population is not even aware of. Not rocket science.

[outdoorfan]

Science is bad, learning is bad, progress is bad. Back to the old ways. Turn off the lights and live in a cave. 40 years is enough for anyone.

This is like an old folk's home on the Internet.

I for one do not believe that science is bad at all when applied with caution under the fear of God. The term "progress" is so subjective. Progress for what. Progress towards individual freedom, progress towards socialism. Progress could mean anything. Electricity sure is nice, isn't it. It was progress. However, the technology boom has also created an environment where families spend less time together. Is that a good side affect? Umm, no!

I say that science and learning is good. Progress is subjective. There are too many people that are applying what they've learned in ways other than in the fear of God, who initially set up this world that we live in in perfection.

[montana_charlie]

But here's where I wish people like yourself could expand your understanding and see beyond the surface info. There are many people who are experts in the field but perhaps don't have the paper credentials that people like you are looking for.

That is probably true. But, there must be something about those 'experts in the field' which others can use to accept that the claimed expertise exists.

You could tell us that a guy named Fred told you that GMO corn will slowly kill you.
In order to believe Fred, we need to know something about how Fred came to have this knowledge.
If you can't ... or won't ... tell us what makes Fred the expert to believe, we will look elsewhere for information which CAN be evaluated by the relative expertise of the source.

You see, the 'surface info' that you pass along from 'whomever' isn't sufficient to make us regulate our entire lives to comply with it.
You need to tell us that Fred is the source of your information, and why we should trust Fred ...

[oldblinddog]

Of course you have a good point, but the problem as I see it is imbedded in my previous post when I briefly described how organizations with lots of money can create their own science (version of events). Then they can control the propagation of it, while limiting the voices of those who disagree. ...

Do you have any actual, documented proof that this happens?

It is very obvious to me that you are one of those folks who buys into their "facts", and needs to see the data coming from one of their universities, etc to believe what is being said.

Yes, that would be be actual, documented proof. Anything else would be no more than idle gossip with no credibility what-so-ever.

Full disclosure, I attended Texas A&M University and my major was Animal Science, I learned artificial insemination in 1973 for cows, been raising cows, horses, pigs, dogs for a long time, and the crops to feed them and me/us. But since I am a University trained scientist I suppose that makes me unqualified. Oh, by the way, I fly a jet airplane for a living also.

You may be entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your facts.

[Rick Hodges]

The problem with unqualified uneducated "experts" is way too often they collect a herd of equally unqualified sheep to lead astray....does the Rev. Jones and Ghana ring a bell? He most assuredly told his folks he was acting on God's instructions.....I bet some of them wished they checked out his "qualifications" a little better before they drank the Kool-Aid.

[Elkins45]

The problem with unqualified uneducated "experts" is way too often they collect a herd of equally unqualified sheep to lead astray....does the Rev. Jones and Ghana ring a bell? He most assuredly told his folks he was acting on God's instructions.....I bet some of them wished they checked out his "qualifications" a little better before they drank the Kool-Aid.

Wonder if that kool-aid was sweetened with genetically modified high fructose corn syrup?

[montana_charlie]

Wonder if that kool-aid was sweetened with genetically modified high fructose corn syrup?

If that were true, it wasn't the GMO sweetener that killed 'em.

[pressonregardless]

Wonder if that kool-aid was sweetened with genetically modified high fructose corn syrup?

Nah, most likely Aspartame.

[jcwit]

I will not waste time trying to convince you of otherwise, because I've wasted too much time in the past with people of your mentality.

LOL, Is this a kind way of calling me stupid. You don't know me from adam, nor do you know anything about my mentality.

[jcwit]

He uses evil to advance His purposes, as well.

Oh Really? Now that is a revelation for sure. You better do some serious reading of your Bible, and some serious soul searching.

[xdmalder]

Oh Really? Now that is a revelation for sure. You better do some serious reading of your Bible, and some serious soul searching.

Let's see: the flood, the entire book of Job, Revelations, the crucifixion. That took me about ten seconds of thinking.