Trying to find the recipe for Ed's Red. My searches keep coming up nothing found.
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Willy Snyder
PO Box 2732
Pocatello, ID 83206
Trying to find the recipe for Ed's Red. My searches keep coming up nothing found.
Big Bore = 45+
Your Googlefoo is weak.I typed in "Ed's Red" and this was in my first hit.
The only thing new in this update is that acetone is now optional. I don't think it is and it improves the cleaning. I have been using it for 30 years and never got a mark on a stock or other damage. I always wanted to try lanolin but could never find it.
My Thirty Years With ''Ed's Red'' Bore Cleaner... Home-Mix Still Works
By C.E. ''Ed'' Harris - Updated 2/20/2021.
Thirty years ago I mixed my first "Ed's Red" or "ER" bore cleaner. It has passed the test of time. Thousands of satisfied users think this home-mixed cleaner is every bit as effective as more expensive commercial products.
The design intent of “ER” was to provide cleaning action similar to Vietnam-era military rifle bore cleaner, Mil-C-372B. When the optional acetone is included ER is more effective than Hoppe's for removing plastic fouling in shotgun bores, or heavily-caked carbon fouling in semi-automatic rifles or pistols. Users have reported it as effective as Kano Kroil as a penetrant for loosening rusted bolts, engine parts and in removing leading in revolvers. “ER” is less expensive than commercial bore cleaners, and as effective, providing excellent corrosion protection and fully adequate residual lubrication so that routine "oiling" after cleaning is unnecessary, except for long-term storage of over 1 year, or harsh service, such as humid tropical environments or salt water exposure.
The “ER” formula was based upon proven principles, incorporating two polar and two nonpolar solvents. It was adapted from the recipe published in Hatcher's Notebook for "Frankford Arsenal Cleaner No.18," substituting readily available modern materials. Hatcher’s formula called for equal parts of acetone, turpentine, Pratts Astral Oil and sperm oil, and optionally 200 grams of anhydrous lanolin being added per liter.
Today I recommend "K1" kerosene of the type normally sold for use in indoor space heaters. Users have reported successful substitution of civilian aviation grade kerosene such as Turbo-A.
An inexpensive, effective substitute for sperm oil is Dexron automatic transmission fluid. [The original Dexron (B) transmission fluid was introduced on April 1, 1967. Over the years, the original Dexron (B) was supplanted by Dexron-II(C), Dexron-II(D), Dexron-II(E), Dexron-III(F), Dexron-III(G), Dexron-III(H), Dexron-VI(J), Dexron HP, Dexron LV ATF HP, and Dexron ULV which is the latest fluid]
Experience has proven that any major name-brand ATF whether Dexron, Mercon, Mopar, etc., are all fine in ER. If you have old Ford-Mercon in the garage back from the days you owned that Ford Galaxy Police Interceptor which would pass anything on the road except a gas station, mixing ER is the best way to repurpose it, instead of taking to household hazardous waste disposal.
Hatcher's original Frankford Arsenal No. 18 formula used gum spirits of turpentine. Safer and cheaper is "aliphatic mineral spirits," a petroleum based "safety solvent" used for thinning oil based paints and widely used as charcoal lighter, and as automotive parts cleaner. It is commonly sold under the names "odorless mineral spirits," "Stoddard Solvent" or "Varsol".
Acetone was included in "ER" to provide an aggressive, fast-acting solvent for caked powder residues. Because acetone is an aromatic, organic solvent, it is recommended that users leave it out if the cleaner will be used in enclosed spaces lacking forced air ventilation. This is because the acetone in ER will readily evaporate, liberating volatile organic compounds (VOCs) into the atmosphere unless containers are kept tightly closed when not in use.
ER is still effective without the acetone, just not as "fast-acting," so you will have to be patient.
There isn't anything in Ed's Red which chemically dissolves copper fouling in rifle bores. However, because it does a better job removing caked on carbon and abrasive primer residue, decades of use has established that exclusive use of "ER" reduces copper deposits, because it removes the old impacted powder fouling which is left by other cleaners, by reducing the abrasion and adhesion of jacket metal to the bore surface, leaving a cleaner surface which reduces subsequent fouling. "ER" reduces adhesion of metal fouling when if you let it "soak." Once the penetrants and surfactants do their the job, deposits are more easily brushed out.
Addition of the lanolin to ER bore cleaner mix is entirely optional. Today it is increasing difficult to find anhydrous lanolin. A clever boy can substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, USP from the drug store, heating it over a double boiler and gradually driving off the excess moisture. Farm boys tell me that Bag Balm can be minimally processed and used in the same way. ER still gives adequate corrosion protection and lubrication for most users without the lanolin. However, incorporating the lanolin makes it easier on the hands, displaces water better, increases its lubricity and film strength, and improves corrosion protection for long term storage or when firearms will be routinely exposed to salt air, water spray, industrial or polluted urban corrosive atmospheres.
At current retail prices [unless you live in California, I am told…] you can buy the ingredients to mix ER, without the lanolin for about $25 per gallon. I feel obligated to say that in the years since Ed’s Red was introduced, others have advocated substituting other materials such as MEK or other hazardous, cancer-causing solvents, or Marvel Mystery Oil, which does have a pleasant smell, but is more expensive than Dexron and offers has no real advantage.
So I am going on record here that Ed does not recommend ANY substitutions. Please stick to the proven recipe.
CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner
1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later. Older Ford Mercon and Mopar are also OK.
1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1, also OK to substitute Jet-A
1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits, Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS
#64741-49-9, or may substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or
equivalent, (aka "Varsol")
1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1. (Optional)
(Also optional) 200 g per Liter or up to 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, OK to
substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)
This "Recipe" is placed in the public domain, and may be freely distributed.
Must not be using the right color Crayon when doing the search:
Standard Ed's Red Recipe (Equal Parts):
1 Part Dexron II or III Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF)
1 Part Kerosene (deodorized preferred)
1 Part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits (e.g., Stoddard Solvent)
1 Part Acetone (optional; improves cleaning but causes high evaporation)
I have played with the mix a bit and use Amyl Acetate (banana oil) in place of the acetone. Less volatile, cuts any plastic residue, and it smells better.
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The recipe I have is equal parts of odorless mineral spirits, odorless kerosene, Dexron Automatic Transmission Fluid, and Acetone. I store it in glass jars as the Acetone can destroy some plastics.
Thank you for the responses.
Big Bore = 45+
I'd always seen Dexron only but the post seems to indicate otherwise. Anyone try something different?
BTW: 50:50 ATF: Acetone by itself is the best penetrating fluid bar none
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Didn't try others but I just use a cheap generic Dextron and since a quart will make a gallon of Ed's red it will last a long long time.Originally Posted by jonp
I did read some people mention the expensive synthetic brands do not stay mixed.
Important ... in the recipe Do Not use Synthetic ATF ...
Use conventional GM spec ATF ...Synthetic ATF will not mix with the other ingredients ... Trust me on this and use convential !
Ed's Red is my favorite Gun Solvent / Bore and Gun Cleaner !
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Gets rid of carbon just as good as the expensive boutique carbon solvents in the little bottles.
Did anyone try adding lanolin? Do you think it made a difference?
The lanolin improves film strength and lubricity and is useful in moisture displacement if you use it as a followup flush after water cleaning for black powder or military corrosive primers. Good protection in storage for up to ten years.
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Sure would be fun to hear how Ed's Red got started? Or how it evolved over the years. I've heard that fella can tell a story!
I don't think the basic recipe evolved any but I first heard of it from an early internet Usenet forum. That is why I never tried lanolin. At the time I called some drug stores for it and no one had it. Now a quick search will find many vendors.
most all generic woman's nipple cream at drugstore is reagent grade lanolin - check the ingredients label -
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Don’t feel bad, my search failed as well. “Ed’s Red”
Thanks for posting here!
You really need a tightly capped container to keep the acetone from evaporating. I made up a batch about two years ago and put it in an old whiskey bottle but the cork was slightly too loose and the solvent devolved into its heavier components.
It is great stuff - I use it to clean a lot of other things besides firearms. Works great on 2-stroke carbs, machinist tools, etc.
Exchange amyl acetate for acetone: isn't as volatile, dissolves plastic fouling and smells better.
If ya'll want to have some fun, check out pg 18 of this little document:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD0748807.pdf
Ed's Red was supposed to be a "modern" version of Col Hatcher's (Springfield Armory) bore solvent recipe (exchange ATF for sperm oil).
Rights, and Privileges, are not synonymous. We have the Right to Bear Arms. As soon as the Government mandates firearm registration, and permiting, then that Right becomes a Privilege, and may be taken away at our Master's discretion.
Interesting that the recipe for Hoppe’s #9 is listed.
Yah, but acetone is easier to find - amyl acetate looks like it has to come from a lab source. I doubt HD or Lowes carries it (although I haven’t looked).
I get mine through Amazon. A 1kg bottle has lasted me a long time!
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