I'd be careful doing that. Bob the Fed does not take kindly to people making and selling ammo without first paying for the "privilege" to do so.
You need an FFL. The ATF's site should tell you which one you need and how much it is.
Q: Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer?
Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit. No, if the person reloads only for personal use.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (i) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/manufacturers.html
Seems to me "I will be giving him these two boxes of 30.30 to try." isn't the same as selling him two boxes of ammo to try. The new line of ammo is just a joke. Never planned on selling anything. Just trying to help a friend get into the lead shooting game.
Last edited by Friends call me Pac; 04-20-2015 at 08:19 PM.
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What's the FPS on them thar buck busters?
you can give or barter away all the ammo you want.
you just can't sell it or the projectile component without paying their ridiculous tax.
Wasn't there some "plant" on here not long ago who engaged in his first and last thread over this very subject? I believe he let us ALL know how very criminal any act of avoiding the King's taxes would be. He he
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Haha, love it!
Optimal with was GIVE. Well good for you and your buddy.
NUTS
according to the regs I read whether you sell, give away, whatever, it doesn't matter--all that is relevant to ATF is either you have the ammo license or you don't. And if you don't have it, should they desire, you could be SOL.
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When I was a boy my Father always had two boxes of 12ga #6's wrapped up under our Christmas tree for my brother and I. Guess the evil criminal traits passed along in the genes. To be safe I better not give these to my buddy. I still have a cool reloading wrapper with pertinent data. All I needed was power point, scissors, scotch tape and a common white box 20 count ammo storage container. I guess that could be mistaken as an actual professional wrapping job. Maybe I have found a gold mine. Labels by Pac?
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I'm not gonna go into the specifics because they have been gone over about 10 times before.
anybody interested can search for type 06 FFL and see exactly what the requirements are for the manufacturing license.
one box of ammo you give or barter to your buddy in no way comes close to meeting the requirements of needing one.
heck him bringing you a bucket of ww's in exchange for 500 boolits isn't even close.
re-selling him that box of 30-30's you got at K-mart isn't even on the register for the FFL.
the taxes are paid on the boolits and ammo when it is manufactured, once that's done it's done and a 'reseller' just has to pay sales tax.
that's what those guy's you see at the gun shows are doing.
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All this aside, nice buck !!! Love the packaging too....
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The point I was making was that the ATF could see the label and accuse him of manufacturing and selling ammo without a license if they wanted to. I know he's doing nothing wrong, you all know he's nothing wrong, but you all know how the ATF can be. It seems like they get a kick out of screwing up gun owners lives. If caring about other members makes me a troll, then I'm a troll and damn proud to be one.
BTW, I think you did a good job on the box.
Last edited by texaswoodworker; 04-21-2015 at 04:10 PM.
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