So tell me a bit about your experiance with Oath Keepers

[cbrick]

Jay, why would you be on my ignore list after all the fun we had in that other thread?

Yes LL, it makes people on the left uncomfortable when someone takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They are after all the enemy of that document.

Rick

[longranger]

Mr. Jay exactly where has the "Rousseau" doctrine enabled any country to rise above or even closely emulate what the United States of America has done for the world ? Where would I find the freedoms we used to have codified in their Constitution ? It has been men of your kind that believe in policies of panacea/utopia that have brought us to where we are today,it doesn't work.History proves it time and time again you are just wrong on about everything.You keep playing with your feelings and the rest of us will be on guard for the laws and policies you curry favor with.

[jaystuw]

Yes Rick! that was great fun. I was afraid some miss-steps on my part may have offended you as it did others. That thread was very fast paced and sometimes heated. Some of my posts work, others don't . No disrespect is intended.

The uncomfortable part is who might be defined as a domestic enemy? That is somewhat subjective and may play out along party lines. Saying a person or group is a domestic enemy could be Interpreted a way to get around the vote and majority rule. Jay

[Love Life]

They are a group of trained military professionals with a political motive that may or may not follow orders, and do not trust the govt. Do I need more key strokes than that to answer your question love life? Jay

No. you have responded to my point question with a direct answer.

I can understand you being uncomfortable about the group.

I'm not an oath keeper, but they (Oath Keepers) do not make me uncomfortable.

Understand that Oath Keepers are also in the police, Fire Fighters, and EMT.

Members who are no longer active are not required to fulfill the "and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

However, members who are active duty, and in all the Oath Keeper approved things must adhere to the above. Lawful orders must be followed or else you are an oath breaker. Unlawful orders may be questioned and not followed, but you better have your ducks in a row. To deviate from that is wrong. The oath goes both ways if you take it at face value. Now imagine if a constitutional amendment were added that banned ALL firearms from the civilian population. Those who swore the oath would have to make a very tough PERSONAL choice.

There are two kinds of orders jaystuw, as you well know from your experience. It's pretty black and white to be honest with you.

[Love Life]

Yes Rick! that was great fun. I was afraid some miss-steps on my part may have offended you as it did others. That thread was very fast paced and sometimes heated. Some of my posts work, others don't . No disrespect is intended.

The uncomfortable part is who might be defined as a domestic enemy? That is somewhat subjective and may play out along party lines. Saying a person or group is a domestic enemy could be Interpreted a way to get around the vote and majority rule. Jay

Your side (left) has already labeled the Oath Keepers and Veterans as possible domestic enemies...

Oh, and white conservative Christian Males are also enemies of the left as announced by the royals from on high.

[MBTcustom]

Hoo
hoo
who is jaystew?

Still just sitting on my limb. Still hearing that squeaking.

It will comfort you to know Jay, that you are far from being on my ignore list. Quite the opposite in fact.

[jaystuw]

Lots of stuff to answer. ok love life, leave out the follow orders part. Still more than enough to make me feel uncomfortable with the group


longranger and lovelife, I have the luxury of playing with my feelings. And for me, domestic enemies are a worry but not a deal breaker. We, the left, have the numbers and the vote. If you want things your own way, find some common ground with us. Jay

[Jammersix]

Sure, if they earned it.

You "earn" your shot by being born here. Talk about a low bar... So I assume you meant "if you earn a good life". That way, we can agree.

But it's the shot at a good life that matters, in my opinion.

[cricco]

Why are you guys still arguing with a fella who has clearly stated that he hates everything you stand for? I'm content to accept that he's just a sheep, and will forever be one. I would still defend him, and his right to be such a fool, but I won't continue to entertain him.

Matthew 7:6......."Do not give that which is holy to the dogs, and do not throw your pearls before hogs, lest they trample upon them with their feet and turn and tear you in pieces."

[Love Life]

find some common ground with us. Jay

Stop trying to crush my rights. Until then, common ground is minimal.

[Jammersix]

Why do the oath keepers make you uncomfortable? Do police, firefighters, and the military make you uncomfortable?

Authority.

If one is truly acting in my name, society will give him the authority to do so. That authority is symbolized in uniforms, badges, offices, jobs, warrants, commissions.

Authority is never present without proof.

And authority cannot be assumed without a legal path.

It is the potential for attempted assumption of authority that makes me uncomfortable.

[Love Life]

You "earn" your shot by being born here. Talk about a low bar... So I assume you meant "if you earn a good life". That way, we can agree.

But it's the shot at a good life that matters, in my opinion.

You get a shot by being born here. You earn a good life.

I should not be taking from you in order to better my life. You should not be taking from me in order to better your life. I will accept money from you for a product/service I provided which in turn will improve my life. Same for you getting money from me.

Now we may agree. All you deserve is the shot.

[Jammersix]

Now we may agree. All you deserve is the shot.

We agree. Everyone deserves the shot, and it was the shot portion of your statement I had an issue with.

[Love Life]

We agree. Everyone deserves the shot, and it was the shot portion of your statement I had an issue with.

There was no shot portion. Just a blanket "If they earned it."

You pointed out that further clarification was required because my general response covered two separate thingamabobs. I will be more clear in the future.

[cbrick]

The uncomfortable part is who might be defined as a domestic enemy? That is somewhat subjective and may play out along party lines.

Party lines? I would say so since the obummer administration has publicly stated that Veterans are domestic enemies and threats.

The only mindset that could possibly think like that is tyrannical government or a government that plans on becoming tyrannical.

Oath Keepers are those who swore an oath to defend The Constitution and there is no expiration date on that oath. By the tens of thousands these oath takers have given their lives in the defense of that document. That document is the single most important document ever written and to watch it go away for no better reason than it makes liberals/progressives/socialists feel all warm & fuzzy is at best nauseating and is the worst crime against freedom ever committed.

It will comfort you to know Jay, that you are far from being on my ignore list. Quite the opposite in fact.

Not to worry, liberals are a lot of fun. All you need to do to get them all riled up is say something that isn't what the Kool-Aid told them to think. Throw in a couple of facts and a little logic and watch them go . . .

Rick

[cbrick]

We, the left, have the numbers and the vote. If you want things your own way, find some common ground with us. Jay

I will patiently wait until the day after the November elections for you to post that statement again.

If you open your eyes you would notice that all across the country things are looking rather poor for the progressives even in progressive strongholds. Every day more and more people are beginning to see the progressives for what they really are. But odds are that you listen only to the alphabet news and I can assure you they will not tell you, they will only tell you that everything is peachy and conservatives are evil.

Rick

[Recluse]

We, the left, have the numbers and the vote.

And we have the guns, the veterans and the Constitution.

Care to guess how it will end up if you keep pushing us?

[jaystuw]

Goodsteel! your visit is somewhat unexpected, but not unanticipated. You my be pleased to know that never for a moment did I believe you would ignore me. A master hunter does not ignore a trophy, He watches ,waits and studies his prey.

You must continue to be patient goodsteel. The sqeaking mouse has evolved. gone are the reckless dashes, the unguarded moments. A far more careful mouse roams the forest floor. A more valued trophy awaits, but more time and effort will be needed on your part. I have no doubt that you are up to the task. Jay

[Love Life]

This thread has gone full retard.

[Alvarez Kelly]

This thread has gone full retard.

Lol! I'll agree with that!!