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    Slug the throat, size to that, use some of his 2400 powder or slower if available, h2o drop the bullets. Most importantly check those calipers with a standard, something smells fishy. I've a couple of those Lee c.312/185, one had a .297 nose, it got lapped, sure wish I hadn't since I got a K31
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    Hey there link, not to jump on you with everybody else about your calipers but I am a machinist and I know tools really well. what you have is a set of digital calipers and they measure .0005 at a time. I dont trust that last digit except on the best quality sets, even then, using calipers takes feel and practice and even I miss it sometimes. a micrometer takes the feel out of it but you have to be careful that you dont use it like a C-clamp and crush the boolit you are measuring with it. You can order a 0-1" micrometer from MSC industrial supply for $25. Its a good investment. Keep an eye on the pawn shops when your in there browsing, usually they keep 'em under glass next to the jewelry, you can get a good deal that way.
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    no mine say like .3155
    Mine too. The resolution is .0005 but that's not reliable. I've used my calipers to measure relative alloy hardness. I zero the caliper on the boolit then squeese the jaws and take a reading of the impression depth.

    It's like Chargar says;
    When measuring a round object this can be enough to give false measurements.
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    Link, where are you in school? Larry offered to send you gas checks, I'll do the same. There is probably one of us within reach as well.
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    I have a set of Mitutoyo Calipers that read to .0005 or 5 tenths. I have no clue as to why they would make calipers read to this increment. graduated in half a thousandth........

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    im up at school in Rexburg Idaho right now, im From Ashland KY the Tri-state of Ohio and Wv

    So how do you slug the throat? just push it up through the chamber that way and then knock it back down?
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    Please take this as education, not attack. Resolution is the number of digits reported,
    but accuracy is the actual correctness and repeatablility of the readings. They are not the
    same, and I can keep adding resolution (more digits) without doing anything to make
    the unit actually more accurate. Resolution can be an inexpensive sales tool as many
    do not distinguish between resolution and accuracy, assuming more resolution means
    more accuracy. Not necessarily so.

    So, I would suggest that you assume that the unit is, like most calipers +/- .001 or
    .002 on accuracy, regardless of the resolution of the readout. If you have a machinist
    that you know, you may find it interesting and useful to take your calipers and measure
    some of his gage pins and see what you get. Gage pins are very precise, close enough
    to dead on ( minus gage pins are the marked reading minus 0.0002" with a very tiny
    tolerance) to let you check out both your caliper and your skills in using it.

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    Since he's probably using the same instrument to measure the slug as he is the boolit, they're no doubt accurate enough to say, "The boolit is bigger than the bore." Provided he smashed the slug into the rifling rather than simply push it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Link23 View Post
    im up at school in Rexburg Idaho right now, im From Ashland KY the Tri-state of Ohio and Wv

    So how do you slug the throat? just push it up through the chamber that way and then knock it back down?
    Best way is to take a case and fill it most of the way with lead. Place that in the chamber and lock the bolt. Now take a slug that will be long enough to fill the rest of the case and the throat, run it down the muzzle of the rifle with a brass rod, and give it a good pounding. Do this with soft lead. The lead will fill the rest of the case and expand to fill the throat. Once you've done this open the bolt and drive the throat slug and case out of the chamber. Now you have a permanant record of the throat.

    The other way is to get some Cerrosafe and make a chamber/throat cast.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check