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    Question .44 Spcl and Mag Wad Cutter loads for target and Self Defense

    I received 200 Bullets from MATT"S BULLETS. They are VERY light weight 150 grain .44 Wad-cutters! Any ideas on loads to experiment with using these almost comical looking BOOLITS? They are sized to cylinder throats, and I will be using them in a Model 69 S&W 2.75" or a 2.25" Charter Arms Bulldog.[B]

    Also Wad-cutters in 175, 185, 216 grain sizes using Bullseye, Unique/Universal/Red Dot. Any ideas or suggestions welcomed and THANKS!

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    They will probably shoot low. I tried some of those from Matt's in my Ruger Old Model 45 with 7-1/2" barrel and ran out of elevation adjustment. However, it might not be as noticeable from a shorter barrel.

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    I'm a big Wadcutter Fan ... 38 Special , 357 and 41 magnum ...
    My Daughter has a 44 Special and these are the favorite loads we have worked up
    with the NOE 432-226-WC PB ... a 226 grain plain based, button nosed , cast wadcutter.

    You can use these loads with the lighter ... 150 gr. , 175 gr. , 185 gr. and 216 gr. wadcutters safely and as a good starting point .
    All loads were crimped in the top crimp groove on the button nose WC and loaded in 44 special cases .

    6.0 grs. Unique
    5.5 grs . W231 / HP-38
    4.5 grs. Red Dot
    4.5 grs. TiteGroup

    These are easy shooting and accurate loads in my Daughter's snub-nosed Taurus 445.

    I hope they help you
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    I use a wadcutter boolit in my 5-1/2" Ruger 44 Mag SBH and in a 14" Contender. The mold is from Accurate and is labeled 43-190W. It casts closer to 200 grains with my alloy, and is very, very accurate with 6.0 grains of Bullseye in both guns.

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    Light loads tend to shoot low as they are out of the barrel before the recoil raises the trajectory. However, with wadcutters, your intended target for practical use is probably within 15 feet, so it shouldn't be of great concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWooldridge View Post
    They will probably shoot low. I tried some of those from Matt's in my Ruger Old Model 45 with 7-1/2" barrel and ran out of elevation adjustment. However, it might not be as noticeable from a shorter barrel.
    Thanks for the feed back! The 69 has adjustables, and the C.A. I am not troubled by filing down the front sight to s good self-defense load. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwpercle View Post
    I'm a big Wadcutter Fan ... 38 Special , 357 and 41 magnum ...
    My Daughter has a 44 Special and these are the favorite loads we have worked up
    with the NOE 432-226-WC PB ... a 226 grain plain based, button nosed , cast wadcutter.

    You can use these loads with the lighter ... 150 gr. , 175 gr. , 185 gr. and 216 gr. wadcutters safely and as a good starting point .
    All loads were crimped in the top crimp groove on the button nose WC and loaded in 44 special cases .

    6.0 grs. Unique
    5.5 grs . W231 / HP-38
    4.5 grs. Red Dot
    4.5 grs. TiteGroup

    These are easy shooting and accurate loads in my Daughter's snub-nosed Taurus 445.

    I hope they help you
    Gary
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    Thanks for the GREAT and informative reply Gary!
    I will use your info fo a good starting point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterAZ View Post
    I use a wadcutter boolit in my 5-1/2" Ruger 44 Mag SBH and in a 14" Contender. The mold is from Accurate and is labeled 43-190W. It casts closer to 200 grains with my alloy, and is very, very accurate with 6.0 grains of Bullseye in both guns.
    Thanks, I am a fan of Bullseye for these kinds of shooting!
    I love the location in AZ where you are at, ShooterAZ.

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    You bet Caster1977. I am not adverse to filing the sights to shoot point of aim when I settle on a load for my purposes!
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    I am a big fan of wadcutters, but I like mine heavier. Sorry, no help to you!

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    Thanks Kevin. You may have some info to asisst me yet! I have been pondering loading 2- 150 grain wad-cutters stacked, and crimping the top one in the top grease groove. I am seeking 44 special light velocities (700-800fps), using Magnum cases in a S&W EDC Model 69, 2.75" barrel.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks, WDW44 (aka Bill)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WDW44 View Post
    Thanks Kevin. You may have some info to asisst me yet! I have been pondering loading 2- 150 grain wad-cutters stacked, and crimping the top one in the top grease groove. I am seeking 44 special light velocities (700-800fps), using Magnum cases in a S&W EDC Model 69, 2.75" barrel.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks, WDW44 (aka Bill)
    That will be running at magnum pressure I bet just due to seating depth. I’d compare the powder space to a 300 or 320 grain boolit and your two stacked. Make sure you have at least that much room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwpercle View Post
    I'm a big Wadcutter Fan ... 38 Special , 357 and 41 magnum ...
    My Daughter has a 44 Special and these are the favorite loads we have worked up
    with the NOE 432-226-WC PB ... a 226 grain plain based, button nosed , cast wadcutter.

    You can use these loads with the lighter ... 150 gr. , 175 gr. , 185 gr. and 216 gr. wadcutters safely and as a good starting point .
    All loads were crimped in the top crimp groove on the button nose WC and loaded in 44 special cases .

    6.0 grs. Unique
    5.5 grs . W231 / HP-38
    4.5 grs. Red Dot
    4.5 grs. TiteGroup

    These are easy shooting and accurate loads in my Daughter's snub-nosed Taurus 445.

    I hope they help you
    Gary
    + 1, Really like the NOE 432-266-WC-PB in a 44 Mag case, crimped in the top grove, over 5 gr. ~ 6 gr. Promo /Red Dot. Accurate and easy shooting in my SW 629.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawHat View Post
    I am a big fan of wadcutters, but I like mine heavier. Sorry, no help to you!

    Kevin



    Quote Originally Posted by WDW44 View Post
    Thanks Kevin. You may have some info to asisst me yet! I have been pondering loading 2- 150 grain wad-cutters stacked, and crimping the top one in the top grease groove. I am seeking 44 special light velocities (700-800fps), using Magnum cases in a S&W EDC Model 69, 2.75" barrel.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks, WDW44 (aka Bill)
    Bill,

    When I said heavier, I never thought of a heavier 36 caliber boolit. I was talking about a 240 grain 45 caliber boolit, specifically the SAECO 453.

    Deep seating boolits will skyrocket pressures beyond the magnum. There is an image of deep seating and associated pressures. I will try to find it.

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    Will do. Having loaded for 50 years now, I am very cautious of over loading and signs of pressue. I am thinkin og using 5.0 grains Unique, but will find a 300 cast boolit and see how much room there is. Thanks for the reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WDW44 View Post
    I received 200 Bullets from MATT"S BULLETS. They are VERY light weight 150 grain .44 Wad-cutters! Any ideas on loads to experiment with using these almost comical looking BOOLITS? They are sized to cylinder throats, and I will be using them in a Model 69 S&W 2.75" or a 2.25" Charter Arms Bulldog.[B] Also, Wad-cutters in 175, 185, 216 grain sizes using Bullseye, Unique/Universal/Red Dot. Any ideas or suggestions welcomed and THANKS!
    Find an old SPEER reloading manual, like a #9, #10, or #11. They have load data for round balls in .44 Spl., .45 Colt, and (if memory serves) .45 ACP. When these manuals were published, Hodgdon Universal was not yet marketed, but Bullseye, Unique, and Red Dot certainly were. Charge weights were light and velocities were low, but weights of the round balls should be close enough to the lighter bullets you mention to extrapolate something that will work.
    When you mentioned loading more than one projectile per case, this load data came to mind because charge weights are light enough that you may not find yourself in magnum-pressure territory, but still stout enough that both projectiles will exit the barrel (have a brass hammer and brass rod handy, just in case).
    Decades ago, I experimented in .45 Colt and .45 ACP using 185-200 gr. LSWCs, with .44 and .45 caliber lead balls pressed into the case before seating the LSWCs. I was hoping for loads that would disperse at 7-10 yards to respond to a mob-like onslaught. I obtained half-way decent results in the .45 Colt, but when I elevated charges in .45 ACP high enough to reliably operate the slide, the projectiles would impact very close to, or right on top of each other, at distances under 20 yards.
    I guess there MAY be some application for such loads, but they did not give me what I was looking for.
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