22lr head stamp?

[Utah Shooter]

Just found this website and thought that it was pretty cool.

http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2/v/Headstamp-Gallery/album01/

Separating by head stamp for swaging .224

Looks like the above url does not work. This is another one without photos but works. http://www.cartridge-corner.com/usrim.htm

[MightyThor]

I sort by bullet weight cause I ain't making bench rest boolits. I shoot varmints and like the effect when the brass jacket separates from... well, pretty much explodes the gopher. You could sort by stamp and then sort by weight, but I don't get enough shooting time as it is.

[GRUMPA]

I separate ALL my brass for ALL my calibers, they don't all have the same internal dimensions. Just look into something easy to see like a 9mm or 45ACP and you'll see the difference right away. As far as those itty bitty 22's are concerned I would imagine they are the same way. Meaning the inside in all likelihood will be different.

[MIBULLETS]

I separate mine. It is a fair amount of work to make a bunch of bullets, so I figure for a little extra time, I can make them better.

It depends what you want out of your bullets. As MightyThor said, if you just want them to shoot ok for plinking, then don't. You will most likely see a difference if you at least sort by headstamp, but the best is from one lot of fired ammo. Different brands have different dimensions as GRUMPA said, not only interally, but also length. So you can improve accuracy and your over all length will be much more consistant.

[Utah Shooter]

I care for these to be accurate. I just got done separating about 2,000 of them. Half of them are CCI, about 500 Aguila and then the rest a mix of sorts.

Would you think it be better to try and use all the match head stamps? Such as Eley or Wolf?

[GRUMPA]

What I would do is:
1) Separate brass by headstamp.
2)Weigh the brass by headstamp 1 at a time to 10pcs.
3)WRITE DOWN your findings (You Will refer to this at a later date).
4)Continue with whatever it is your going to do with them. ONLY (for now) use the headstamp that has the most consistent weight.
5) Send the person that helped you out on the forum a 12 pack come Christmas.

[Utah Shooter]

5) Send the person that helped you out on the forum a 12 pack come Christmas.

I am so inquisitive I would be sending way to many 12 packs.

[MIBULLETS]

Match headstamps might make a difference but I haven't done enough testing to tell yet. Sounds like you've already got them separated and off to a good start.

[coyote]

I know a bullet maker in Montana that used to make RF jacketed bullets and he told me they will group better if sorted.

[Utah Shooter]

I know a bullet maker in Montana that used to make RF jacketed bullets and he told me they will group better if sorted.

Yeah I wieghed some of C brand head stamp. They were all dead on at 9.5 grains.

Thank goodness I have over 500 of them cleaned and will try to de rim them tonight.

[firefly1957]

I separate my cases I have found some need to be treated differently than others. My best luck has been with federal cases my worst with Remington which has a lot of failures during point forming.

[MIBULLETS]

Mine has been exactly the oposite..Remington good Federal bad. Federal had a different priming mix that was more difficult to remove and the Remington goes through my Corbin de-riming die much easier. Could be differences in the punch to dies tolerance I suppose...?

[dale2242]

About a year ago I bought several thousand swaged bullets made from 22LR cases. They were all sorted by headstamp. I keep them by headstamp....dalesorted and loaded

[Eutectic]

Yeah I wieghed some of C brand head stamp. They were all dead on at 9.5 grains.

Thank goodness I have over 500 of them cleaned and will try to de rim them tonight.

One needs to be real careful in sorting if quality, uniformity, and accuracy are to be achieved.

Weighing 500 "C" (CCI) in at 9.5grs would give someone confidence to sort by headstamp alone for sure.... BUT as an example... One can find CCI marked loads (Blazer and maybe others) with the same "C" headstamp that are loaded in Minnesota by Federal. The cases look identical but brass weighs almost a grain more than "C" brass from Lewiston, ID!!

Super-X is another with current brass weighing in at about 9.7grs. Older Super-X casings weigh 9.2grs, being slightly thinner and will form different than current brass if mixed in with later Super-X brass.

Remington brass is/has been great for weigh uniformity and concentricity for 20 years or more. Anneal is important for correct point forming however with all the brands.

Eutectic

[firefly1957]

MIBULLETS Yes I never realized that priming mix could remain in cases even after firing I thought the crack was dirt that I missed now I wash all cases first in a tumbler.
Problem I have with Remington is cured by "proper" annealing which I did not do to start as it was before I found this forum. Last batch of brass was annealed in cheap toaster oven which heats brass to 650 degrees I heat it for 1 hour.

[MIBULLETS]

firefly1957 Yes, proper anealing is required if you want to bring the bullet tips down to a size similar to what you can buy. A tumbler is a good way to get the dirt and priming mix out before de-riming. Saves a lot of wear on your punch too.

[shooterg]

For me the Remington cases seem to be cleaner initially(inside). Federal the dirtiest. CCI seems to be the heaviest.
I do sort . Have started keeping some sorted by lot from the gun they were shot in (figure the worst part of a rimfire jacket is the primer indentation, so might as well have 'em all the same.
Someday I'll just pull a few .22 bullets and form jackets from cases with no "dents" and compare results, just for the heck of it.

[firefly1957]

I have been doing some experimenting with a roll of 40 gauge copper I got from the hobby barn. I have not tried to form 22 bullets have been working with .45 cal. swaged bullet instead Might be worth a try to see if it will work in making a .224 bullet.

When/If I get good results I will post as new thread. Copper is .003 inch thick and may be two thin for rifle velocity's.

[DukeInFlorida]

Mine are all going to go through a "full auto" gun, in rock and roll mode, so it won't matter!

Grouping in full auto is how many rounds hit the paper target.

Can you say, "720 rounds per minute"? 30 round mag in 2.5 seconds. As long as they feed properly......

[MIBULLETS]

That sounds like a interesting video...

[johndeeboy4]

so do u have to vib clean or wet clean iam new and cant want to get my danr set. I do alot of appleseed shoot so i have a unlimet supply of hull each shoot will around 800rd weekend 8-30 people so iam hook up

[Utah Shooter]

He is my vibe cleaner.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l194/shmoeee/008-4.jpg
Fill with hot water and a teaspoon or 2 of Lemi Shine. Toss about 300 or so in there shake for about a half an hour rinse a couple of times, de rim, anneal, Lemi Shine again, rinse and air dry. They come out clean as a whistle.

[johndeeboy4]

Thanks i ment vib as in a tumber with corn or walnut

[Utah Shooter]

Oh. I would not use media. Just puts **** back in the case. It clean the outside pretty well but not the inside. That Lemi Shine works so well I think that I will use it for my .223 cases as well.

[johndeeboy4]

cool thanks

[DukeInFlorida]

Here's my best friend, Andy, firing my Ar-15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQjsdp9MNg

Empties a 30 round magazine in 2.5 seconds.

Accuracy?

I don't sort (for this gun) by headstamp.


That sounds like a interesting video...

[Utah Shooter]

http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/index.php?topic=8242.0

1- Russia (SSSR), Target cartridge.
2- Russia (SSSR), "OLYMP", Klimovsk "KSPZ", (Cartridge for biathlon the cold-resistant.).
3- Russia, Target cartridge.
4- Ammunition plant #2 Rembertowie, Poland.
5- Blank cartridge 5.6мм, Russia,"Tekhkrim" (Closed joint stock company).
6- Western Cartridge Co. de East Alton (Illinois).
7- Rheinisch-Westfälische Sprengstoffe A-G, Nürnberg, Germany.
8- .22 caliber cartridges produced under the name "Federal".
9- Winchester Repeating Arms CO. "H" can appear with and without a circle.
10 - Sellier-Bellot de Praga. Commercial marking.
11 - Lapuan Patruunatehdas, Lapua, Finland.
12 - Remington Arms Co. Inc. de Bridgeport.
13 - "PMC" - Precision Made Cartridges, Poongsan Corporation of Korea (production by orders for the USA).
14 - Hungary ????
15 - Industrie Werke Karlsruhe "DWM", Germany
16 - Smit & Wesson Mexico ????
17 - Russia, Novosibirsk cartridge plant.
18 - Birmingam England (in the 2nd World War)
19 - "RWS", Rheinisch-Westfälische Sprengstoff A.-G., Nürnberg-U. Germany
20 - Societe Francaise des Munitions rue Notre Damedes Victoires Paris, France.
21 - "RWS", Rheinisch-Westfälische Sprengstoff A.-G., Nürnberg-U. Germany
22 - Eley Brothers, Ltd., London, England

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