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Old 06-19-2008, 07:07 AM   #1
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Assault Weapons Ban reintroduction!!

It was only a matter of time before they tried it again!

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.6257:
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:34 AM   #2
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It will get on the Presidents desk right after Obama/hillary get into office. What a bunch of garbage!
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:33 AM   #3
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Yes, the anti's are still out there. However, democracy isn't majority rule as much as it is rule by the majority who show up. Showing up requires more than merely voting. It requires going door-to-door for local and statewide candidates, attending and hosting fundraisers and other events, making sure that family members belong to the NRA and vote, ensuring that candidates know that gun rights are a litmus test for our support, and making sure that candidates have every opportunity to understand the gun issue (including the media invention of so-called assault rifles). For the longer term, shooters who donate their time and money to youth shooting may be doing the most to preserve all of our freedoms (not only the Second Amendment). In working to help pro-gun candidates, it's become my belief that because so much money is around, donating time to make calls, transport voters, write letters to newspapers, etc. is a more important campaign contribution today than is writing a check. Election years take time away from shooting and hunting but that is how the cards have been dealt. In regards to our situation today, we need the White House to remain R so that judges who believe in the Constitution are appointed. Congressional leadership may remain anti-gun after November but many D's recently elected are pro-gun, and everyone of us needs to contact candidates for Congress today to tell them about the gun issue (even if they already know). Two practices my wife and I currently have under way are registering voters at different churches on Sundays and paying NRA dues for new members we sign up from among people returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. And if that is all that democracy costs us then we are getting off very inexpensively! Thanks for your time.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:25 AM   #4
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http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot...heir-guns.html

The British are protesting because they have been disarmed and they want their guns back.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:45 AM   #5
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Maybe I should be smarter, but how do I find out who the authors and sponsors of this bill are????

Thanks.

p.s. Supreme court will be telling everyone what restrictions to the second amendment are possible in a few days. So, this bill is a waste of time and money -- in addition to being treason.
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Old 06-19-2008, 10:02 AM   #6
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Mr. KIRK (for himself, Mr. CASTLE, Mr. FERGUSON, and Mr. SHAYS) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


Those are the guys that introduced it. Who else signed on I don't know yet
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:39 AM   #7
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I just sent e-mails to Congressman McHugh (my local Congressman) and to the Judiciary Committee itself letting them know that I am against this Resolution ever seeing the House Floor for any type of vote.

Let's hope we can get more people to send notes to their Representatives.

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Old 06-19-2008, 11:59 AM   #8
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Yes, the anti's are still out there. However, democracy isn't majority rule as much as it is rule by the majority who show up. .
you have been brain washed by the liberal press........
you do not live in a democracy, you live in a republic.
simple democracy is majority rule, you do not participate in a democratic voting process for the presidential election. you vote and hope the person that in the end represents your vote, does what was asked . you do not vote for the president.

using thier terms is just the first step ......


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Old 06-19-2008, 01:03 PM   #9
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man that bill makes EVERY gun banned. ALL guns.

Time to make a call, where are my reps numbers...
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:29 PM   #10
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It was only a matter of time before they tried it again!

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.6257:




Long letter fired off to my Cong. Rep.
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:43 PM   #11
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man that bill makes EVERY gun banned. ALL guns.

Time to make a call, where are my reps numbers...
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
The way I read, it doesn't apply the long list of rifles, just so called assault type.
We still have the ban in New York and it sucks. Have to use pre ban mags, no flash hiders, bayonet lug, folding or adjustable stock. The only preban I have is an Inland carbine but the rest are NY compliant.
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:53 PM   #12
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Sent an email to my Congressman, does anyone else find it really hard to be polite and respectful when writing to Congresscritters about **** like this........... its gonna take time for my tongue to heal .. had to bite it real hard. How dare these jackasses waste time with garbage like this when we have a fuel crisis, an economy crisis and 100's of other things far more important for them to be doing?
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:17 PM   #13
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Doesn't matter if it goes to the President before or after the election. It's going to pass.

ALL THREE cosponsors "so far" are REPUBLICANS...and we have had a Republican president for almost 8 years now that has said he would SIGN an AWB extension if it got to his desk. Hmmmmm...........just a thought, isn't McChurian a Republican too?

And we KNOW what the Obamanation from Chicago and his Urban Elite Demosnobs will do.

Once again, this illustrates that we simply fail to see the problem at its roots.

It is NOT about Republican or Democrat. Ron Paul was/is good, not due to is "Republican" status, but due to his "individualist" philosophy.

It is about Collectivism -vs- Individualism.

Collectivists infest all the spectrum's of our single party, the Globalist-Collectivist party.

Simply put, our Republic was formed based on our foundational philosophy, enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Our Republic through its mandated governance, was formed to secure and protect Individualism, e.g. the rights of the individual.

Collectivism "uses" the "power and force" of government and of the law, to force perceived "equality" and to force special privilege or wealth redistribution for "groups" or "classes".

Individualism ensures that all individuals are equal "under" the law. There is no special class, or special privilege for any group or segment of society.

Collectivists believe in government and the expansion of its power over individuals, never do they believe in or advocate for its limitations, or on the sanctity of individual liberties.

Individual liberty is a danger and an obstacle to the aims of collectivism.

Any person wanting to serve in government should be examined using this measure and the measure of his/her adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Party matters not one bit. Collectivists infest all spectrum's of society.

But people won't vote for an Individualist/Constitutionalist because people won't vote for an Individualist/Constitutionalist.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:23 PM   #14
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Sent an email to my Congressman, does anyone else find it really hard to be polite and respectful when writing to Congresscritters about **** like this........... its gonna take time for my tongue to heal .. had to bite it real hard. How dare these jackasses waste time with garbage like this when we have a fuel crisis, an economy crisis and 100's of other things far more important for them to be doing?
It aint about guns it is about control!!!!!!!!!!! without guns the other bill of rights is un-enforceable PERIOD> It is about Kings and Kingdoms!!!!Read the Anti_Federalist papers, what they were afraid of is now happening!!!
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:52 PM   #15
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I just fired off a Letter to my Congressman. He is wanting to run for Governor of Missouri, so I mentioned that I didn't want that bill to make it out of committee, or I would vote for the Libertarian Candidate for Governor.

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Old 06-19-2008, 03:20 PM   #16
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I fear, that after their unconstitutional vote giving the the terrorist prisoners in Gitmo, accused of war crimes, access to our civilian criminal justice system, the Supreme Court is also going to sell us out on the 2nd. Amendment. These are terrible times for America.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:31 PM   #17
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NRA Response

Got this back from the NRA earlier.


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Dear Mr. Mace,

Thank you for your email. I've talked with our Executive Office, and they've relayed to me that this bill, although an anathema to the pro-gun community, is not as much of a threat as the other AWB bill, HR 1022. However, I can assure you we will be as ever vigilant in crushing this bill along with the all the other anti-liberty legislation.

We'll keep everyone posted on the www.nraila.org website. Thank you for the email.

Cordially,
Angus McClellan
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I have replied and asked for an elaboration on the grounds for the perception of "lower threat level"

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Old 06-19-2008, 05:11 PM   #18
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the n.r.a. is playing the game up/over/out there also..
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:44 PM   #19
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`(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but
Note that this would make this ban retroactive to 1994. Meaning any NEW hi cap mags produced since the "94" ban sunseted would be illegal. Same with the semi auto's. No granfathering of either.
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:22 PM   #20
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Note that this would make this ban retroactive to 1994. Meaning any NEW hi cap mags produced since the "94" ban sunseted would be illegal. Same with the semi auto's. No grandfathering of either.
These two sections grandfather everything in prior to the passage. The proposed bill has internal conflicts between these sections and the one you quoted.




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(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection.


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(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.

But it will preclude manufacturers from selling off their stock on hand.

I know what I'm spending my money on between now and January.




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