PB Blocker opinions

[texvet45]

Howdy;

I just got the latest copy of Dillon's Blue Press and saw the Southwest Shooting Authoriy's
It appears to be a barrel treatment that reduces the amount of leading.
Has anyone used it and commented on it ?
I have several handguns and a Marlin 1894 in .357 that I was thinking about using it on but I didn't want to buy a pig in a poke?

Texvet45

[captaint]

Tex - Don't know anyone that has tried the stuff. For 19 bux they really like that product. I have bought some lubricants from Dillon. Gotten some great stuff, Microlon Blue & Slide Glide for the 1911's. I actually look forward to that little thing. Usually, there's at least one good article in each.
enjoy Mike

[hplug]

Hey All,
I am new here but let me introduce my self, my name is Hayes and I am the manufacturer of Pb Blocker. I will tell you that Pb Blocker works and works very well you will be amazed. I also understand by the rules of the forum being a new guy I can not sell/list/barder etc. but texvet45 I will make you a deal, how about you pay shipping and I will send you a complementary bottle of Pb Blocker for your use and all I ask is you post your results here for everyone to see? I hope this is tollerable in the Admins eyes just want to make sure I am with in guide lines. You will find my contact info in my profile and please let me know if I can assist in anyway. Thanks
H

[HeavyMetal]

hplug;
Not sure how the rules will be read in this case but I do think you've made a stand up offer to Texvet45

Curious to see how this turns out.

[PrimitiveBeasty]

I've not heard of this product. I am interested in seeing the effectiveness of the product, should texvet45 choose to take the offer.

[Bret4207]

A generous offer. The initial question of course is- are you getting leading now? Have you done everything you can to ensure proper static and dynamic fit?

You can always try the stuff and see if it helps. Magic potions, like HARDCAST, are seldom the miracle cures we hope them to be, but trying won't hurt. Maybe this product will help.

[JJC]

Hey All,
I am new here but let me introduce my self, my name is Hayes and I am the manufacturer of Pb Blocker. I will tell you that Pb Blocker works and works very well you will be amazed. I also understand by the rules of the forum being a new guy I can not sell/list/barder etc. but texvet45 I will make you a deal, how about you pay shipping and I will send you a complementary bottle of Pb Blocker for your use and all I ask is you post your results here for everyone to see? I hope this is tollerable in the Admins eyes just want to make sure I am with in guide lines. You will find my contact info in my profile and please let me know if I can assist in anyway. Thanks
H

Stand up and good business. Does it help with a bore that has been leaded up? Or is this a pretreatment only? John

[MtGun44]

Never have any leading, no need for this.

Bill

[hplug]

Hello All,
Thank you for the nice words. Although Pb Blocker is fairly new it was launched after about 18 months of testing mostly done by Cope Reynolds and team from Southwest Shooting Authority.
Pb Blocker will not remove lead from leaded bores. It will however greatly reduce lead build up. Pb Blocker "coats" the barrel on a molecular level and actually bonds with the barrel producing a protective coating thus eliminating any attachment of materials. The product in one form or another has been in production since the 1950's although primarily used in the oil and gas industry. Some of the people who used our product used it to treat their firearms and swore by it and encouraged us to focus on the gun industry. Pb Blocker was specifically designed for leading issues in Glocks, but after testing we were glad to discover that this product has many uses in firearms.

Pb Blocker will:
Reduce leading by 95%+
create less friction
makes cleaning a snap as the protective coating eliminates build up be it brass, copper, plastic, lead, etc.
prevents fouling of anykind

Customers have used it for barrel treatment, trigger treatment (reduced friction smooth trigger), you can shoot hotter loads as the build up is reduced, dipped bullets, muzzleloadeder have greater velocity and accuracy, although in convention firearms the velocity is minimal it is present.

"A generous offer. The initial question of course is- are you getting leading now? Have you done everything you can to ensure proper static and dynamic fit? "

Thank you. I try to refrain from absolutes but it will eliminate 95% or more of leading.

"You can always try the stuff and see if it helps. Magic potions, like HARDCAST, are seldom the miracle cures we hope them to be, but trying won't hurt. Maybe this product will help."

Of course there is always a new product out there some work some don't. Lets just say a well known Major General was greatly impressed and said "all of our boys need this"

I've not heard of this product. I am interested in seeing the effectiveness of the product, should texvet45 choose to take the offer.

Most havent as we are still young to the market, but I tell you what, including texvet45, I will make the same offer to 10 members here. So as of now there are 9 openings you pay shipping and I will provide a full 3 ounce bottle. Please email me and I will put you on the list, you can also visit my website for a few testimonials.

"Not sure how the rules will be read in this case but I do think you've made a stand up offer to Texvet45"

Thank you I just want to be straight forward, I did notice that I was inspected by a moderator but was not contacted so I guess I am okay but if it is an issue, I will do my best to stay above board.

"Curious to see how this turns out."

I have a good idea how it willturn out, but all feedback good or bad is always encouraged, I have set up a blog on my website for just this purpose. I have not reinvented the wheel but I can reduce the friction of the wheels axle.

Thank you all again for the kind words and I look forward to helping us all out in any little way I can.
Hayes

P.S. My phone number is located on my website and if anyone needs to talk please feel free.

[crabo]

How often does it need to be reapplied?

[hplug]

We have shot 2500 rounds through a glock with minimal to no deteriation of the product but I would recommend using it after each cleaning this is the case where more is not a bad thing. Thanks,
H

[geargnasher]

OK, I'm game. My challenge is to see if a rifle bore properly cleaned and treated with this product will maintain the same level of long-range accuracy that it could with conventional means. I can see the benefits to pistol stuff, but my experiences using extra-slick boolit lubes or lubes with synthetic oils in them have always been negative on the accuracy with rifles. Seems there is such a thing as too slick, but a slicker static bore coating may have a much more consistent effect than the dynamics of slicker lube. I know lapped and polished bores shoot better most of the time, so this coating should be no different.

Email en route.

Gear

[hplug]

Great

1. Geargnasher headed your way!

[geargnasher]

Hplug, I added in the email that I also want to see if I can push a known consistent leading envelope related to velocity in the same guns, I'll do separate tests with each gun for both the accuracy comparisons with known good/accurate/lead-free loads and leading observations with slightly faster loads known to just cross the threshold of leading velocity without the treatment. Should be very interesting.

Thanks again,

Gear

[hplug]

Sounds great and you idea sounds very similar to a previous test conducted. I look forward to your results. Thanks,
H

[hplug]

I have sent out 5 bottles which means there are 4 left and one reserved for txvet45
H

[Nrut]

hplug,
Does your product cut back on copper fouling?
If so how does your product effect the first shot on a cold clean bore using jacketed bullets?

[hplug]

Does your product cut back on copper fouling?
If so how does your product effect the first shot on a cold clean bore using jacketed bullets?

Yes it will definately cut back on copper fouling, it should have no effect on your first round if used properly. Thanks,
H

[Recluse]

OK, I'm game. My challenge is to see if a rifle bore properly cleaned and treated with this product will maintain the same level of long-range accuracy that it could with conventional means. I can see the benefits to pistol stuff, but my experiences using extra-slick boolit lubes or lubes with synthetic oils in them have always been negative on the accuracy with rifles. Seems there is such a thing as too slick, but a slicker static bore coating may have a much more consistent effect than the dynamics of slicker lube. I know lapped and polished bores shoot better most of the time, so this coating should be no different.

Email en route.

Gear

Gear,

This was the VERY first thought that jumped out of my head, right after was the "I'm not getting any leading right now, so why do I need it?" question, with the notable exception of that old Gov't 70 that will lead up by simply waving it at a stack of wheel weights.

Couple of years or so ago, I concocted what I was convinced would be the end-all, be-all of stick lubes as it used several blended synthetics. Instead, what happened was I couldn't even keep mere 148WC ON THE TARGET at 50', let alone in the black, let alone in the ten-ring where I'm used to having them go.

The smaller and faster the boolit and the longer the barrel, the worse the results became. Felix explained why my end-all, be-all was barely even suitable to be a flux, let alone an effective boolit-lube.

Be interesting to see how this stuff performs. I know there are guns and bores out there, notably many 40 S&W, that are prone to leading no matter what is done (it seems).

If this stuff can help, then I look at it as another tool for the bench same as calipers, mic, lubesizer, water quenching, heat-treating, etc.

[geargnasher]

Recluse, I think among boolit lube experimenters there are two schools of thought. One is what most beginners think and the other is what they think after they discover through experimentation that what they thought was wrong.

The first thought is that lube works by keeping lead from sticking to the bore by forming a non-stick barrier, much like Teflon on a skillet. Veral and Dan both seem to still think this, I don't know why. Then, when the magic non-stick stuff fails and lead DOES stick to the bore, we are left wondering why. Then, maybe, eventually, we learn that boolit lube does much more than lubricate, and that lead deposits in a gun barrel get there by means other than abrasion or lack of lubrication. Lube prevents leading by helping to prevent gas-cutting and the resulting particles of lead being blown ahead of the boolit and ironed on the bore as the boolit passes over them. This is easily proven if you take the time to induce gas-cutting, recover boolits, and observe bore condition. Then, once we get boolit fit, alloy and hardness, lube type and viscosity, barrel condition (restrictions, roughness, etc.), and the correct powder, primer, case tension, crimp etc. required for a gentle LAUNCH ironed out and finally cure LEADING, then we find out that our real challenge isn't preventing leading at all, it is ACCURACY. So we hang on to our original theory, we must find the best, slipperiest, be-all end-all whizbang slickum to reduce friction and give is our beloved accuracy, right? But we try it and it doesn't work! We buy every infomercial miracle engine treatment we see, try aircraft lubes, tool and die lubes, EP grease, synthetic formulations and additives of every kind thinking it must be an improvement. Then, once in a while, we load up some of those old boolits we lubed with Lyman Alox back before we knew everything about lube, go to the range, and find it shoots better than anything we were able to concoct. *sigh*. What makes that stuff work? What are it's limits? Why does it have limits and what factors affect that? Again, we find that accuracy is dependent on as many, and often the same, factors as lead fouling, and we start our lube quest anew. Now, we find that lubricity and viscocity are probably the most important factors to accurate function. AMOUNT of lube is also paramount to consistency in rifles, as just the right type and amount is required for consistent, shot-to-shot bore condition without accumulation and the resulting "purge fliers" many of us have experienced. Change one thing slightly, and often lube has to me altered to match the condition. Boolit lube is truly a balancing act, and can be a sort of razor's edge between slickness, stiffness, temperature range, and amount. Much more than a non--stick layer.

Interestingly, and someone here has proven it, most wax/oil based boolit lubes make excellent soldering fluxes, so they certainly don't work by prevention of lead adhesion directly.

Then, a monkey wrench in the lead-free = best accuracy theory. Has the following ever happened to you?: "Wow! I just shot the best group ever with this (insert your experience) gun, but to my horror found it leaded the bore! I went ahead and and continued shooting, getting many more groups just as good, the leading didn't get worse or better, and the gun still shoots like a laser!. Later I cleaned it and it took three boxes of shells to get it shooting straight again, but this contradics everything I thought I new about accuracy, lube, and leading!" So now we start to accept the possiblity that keeping lead fouling to a minimum might not be a requirement to THE most accurate load possible.

This is the short version of the experiences that have brought me to what little understanding that I do have of lube and its function. I learn something every time I go to the range, and add it to my list of observations to be mulled over on rainy days, trying to distill the most important attributes of lube down to just a few things, and dreaming of the perfect subtances that would fill those attributes at any velocity, pressure or temperature. So far, I've tried just about ever commercial concoction out there, and the only thing that meets ALL of my needs is Felix lube, although slight tweaks are necessary to cover the gamut. At least I understand it well enough to know what tweak to make and when.

Now, let's look at bore coatings. I tried using a coat of Bullplate on bone-dry, freshly cleaned and stripped bores, letting it soak overnight and patching out before shooting to give the bore a fighting chance on not leading, what I found is that if the load is good, it does nothing except fling the fouling shot even higher. With undersized boolits nothing I have ever tried for bore coatings or lube will prevent leading from the resulting gas cutting. This leads me to believe that bore coatings won't prevent leading only by the action my making it non-stick, but that there are other factors at work. I aim to discover what they are.

Gear