You guys are forgetting polymer lowers.
You guys are forgetting polymer lowers.
Doug
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I wasn't forgetting the polymer lowers, just thought maybe not many here interested in them. I was going to mention that the ACR is polymer but didn't. Lots never cared for HK when they went polymer.
About Bushmaster barrels:
Bushmaster is a choclate onion on this issue.
For some things, they buy from Lothar Walter. This is the odd high end stuff.
For the 5.56 stuff, here is what they do.
The buy steel out of Canada. Then ship it to one of two places for drilling and rifling. Green Mountain is one of them.
Then, they send them out to contouring.
Then out to plating and other stuff.
It is a strange system.
you can get a stripped lower from dsa for $55.
and plum crazy fireaarms makes a compostite complete lower with composite fire control parts and a 6 *** butt stock...retail 140 intro.....
i am placing an order for...........well more than a dozen and lesssssss than....hmmmmmmmm.
( i part time as a special order clerk for an ffl)
only accurate rifles are interesting
I got my STAG complete lowers, ready to pin the upper too for $120.
Doug
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Sticks and stones may break my bones but hollow points expand on impact.
Taxidermists are cheaper than surgeons....keep shooting
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Doug,
You done good and more importantly you're happy with what you purchased. That's what really matters.
only accurate rifles are interesting
anyone make one of those light weight lowers for an ar10? If so can you post a link?
sure would be nice to knock a lb or two off the weight of an ar10!
LWC has a 308 16 or 18 inch piston driven AR 10 type rifle with all the whistles and bells that weight around 9 lbs. I've see some on DPMS's website that you can get down to 8 lbs.
To anyone thinking about a 16 or 18 inch barrel 308 caliber rifle. I would highly suggest you try shooting one first. I don't like short barrels on a rifle anyway just from a ballistics point. But I've fired a Remington 660 IIRC with short vent rib barrel. Was the nastiest firearm I've shot in my life. Flame out the barrel for a distance measured in feet not inches.
When Springfield Armory came out with the Tanker M1. Gun mags had a few articles on it. Seams the US Army did test a short barrel M1. Was rejected due to excessive muzzle blast of the short barrel. I completely concur with the army's decision from back then.
I'd never personally own or even shoot a 308 with a barrel of less than 22” and I'd never buy one under 24”. You need the weight out on the end to keep the gun down under recoil anyway.
I have tenitis (ringing of the ears). Have been told by doctors it only takes nine shots from loud guns to cause this. Like a big revolver out the window of a pickup truck where the blast comes back at you like you have a bucket over your head.
LWC is looking to make an alternative to the M4 carbine for out boys over in the sand box so they have something that shoots a bullet with more knock down power. I agree with you a short barreled 308 is nasty as is any other short barreled rifles.
even a 10.5 inch 5.56 is rediculously loud, i say again, rediculously...
I'm in a similar spot to the original poster--doing some R&D in the direction of buying my first AR-15. I've carried them and used them quite a bit at work, but was never really motivated to own one. We ran Colts, Bushmasters, and Armalites at my old agency, and all of them worked very well. I didn't see a lot to choose from between the three makers we had in service. Most of our deputies opted for the carbine versions by about a 3 to 1 ratio.
My own preferences--as determined to date--run more toward an "A2" example--20" barrel with permanent iron sights, NATO chamber/throat, hard stock, no chrome lining in bore, HBAR profile. A second upper would follow, slick top with scope rail--24" heavy barrel with 223 chamber. Both uppers would have 1-9" twist.
I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.
for a long barrel I'd take a look at the 26" match or target profile here. http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/index.htm
I like the gas tube being extended 2" farther out.
Bull barrels out past 20" get very nose heavy. I have a 20" Bull barrel and it's a hunk of steel. works well as you can see bullet strikes within your scope view as it is stable under recoil.
The AR15 becomes unwieldy with a barrel over 24 inches. Another thing a 26 or 28 inch barrel puts a tremendous amount of stress on that little frail upper receiver and barrel nut. Not a good idea.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |