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22-257 or 27-57; get weird with it! Don't get me wrong, I love the seven by 57 mm as much as anyone.
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Perfect candidate for the 30x57 or the 35x57, both perfect with cast bullets.
For the 30x57 a new 30 cal barrel with with 12, 13 or 14" twist. Use 8x57 cases to form with shortened 30-06 FL die so case neck is '06 length. Shorten seating die same amount. No custom dies needed. Ream chamber with 30-06 reamer to headspace on formed cases. Basically same case capacity as the .308W but with more body taper and length to fit and feed smoothly in M95 action.
The 35x57 is formed the same except using shortened 35 Whelen dies and a 35 Whelen reamer. Same basic capacity as the 358W.
Pre-threaded for SR action contoured barrels can be had short chambered in 300 Savage and 35 Rem. A rough reamer is not needed with those, only the finish reamer.
Here is the 30x57 (left cartridge) and the shortened 30-06 FL die;
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Here is the 35x57 next to the 35 Whelen and 9x57;
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Larry Gibson
“Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
― Nikola Tesla
Mr Gibson , besides the longer neck is there any advantage or disadvantage in your version of the 35x57 vs the standard 9x57
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If you're building the rifle then the 35x57 can be done with standard 35 Whelen reamers which are readily available. Standard 35 Whelen dies are used so no costly custom or semi-custom dies are needed. Additionally, with cast bullets, in the 3" magazine of most SR actions the shorter length of the 35x57 and the 9x57 give more trouble free feeding, especially from the left side of the magazine, with bullets having a meplat. That is w/o any alteration of the feed rails on actions made to feed pointier FMJ bullets. The 30x57 will have all the case capacity needed for cast bullets and with jacketed bullets one can duplicated 358W velocity and psi if one desires.
No criticism of the 9x57 intended, just that the 35x57 is easier and less expensive to build a rifle for if those are considerations. All that is usually required is just a barrel installation and finish ream to headspace with a standard 35 Whelen reamer and to shorten the 35 Whelen dies.
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Larry Gibson
“Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
― Nikola Tesla
Larry, do you have a source for: "Pre-threaded for SR action contoured barrels can be had short chambered in 300 Savage and 35 Rem." that are inexpensive? And what about .338X57?
https://www.chuckhawks.com/338_OConnor.htm
I have two '95 Chilean actions. Both of them are in great condition and have hinged floorplates. One of them is getting turned into a 7x57, but I haven't decided what to build the other one as yet. I've built half a dozen small ring Mauser's in various calibers but the '95 Chilean is my favorite small ring action. If your action was made by Ludwig Loewe that "sheriff badge" on your '95 is a star of David. Also, if it's a Chilean Navy '95 it will have a large fouled anchor as the crest. If it has what looks like a small anchor on the side of the receiver, that's just a pair of stylized German letter "L" back to back (that looks like a pair of J's back to back) and is a symbol for Ludwig Loewe. Any cartridge based on the 57 case, plus the 6.5x55 Swedish, will be good in your action, but you'll need to respect the strengths of the receiver. It's a well made action that will make a fine rifle, but you have to keep the pressures down in the range that it was designed for. If the rear bridge is stamped NATO, then the rifle that it came out of was converted to 7.62x51. If that's the case, check the bolt lug recesses inside the receiver to make sure that there isn't any bolt lug set-back from firing high pressure 308 Winchester. If the bolt lug recesses are smooth and flat the receiver is probably in good condition. If the recesses are depressed back the receiver is dangerous to use and should be scrapped. If the rear bridge isn't marked, then most likely the rifle spent it's life as a 7x57 and is probably fine.
the action isn't one of nato's. i'll have to check on the "LL". between sanding my and youngest son's stocks( http://rifle-stocks.com/ ,i have a 98 mauser and my son's 93 mauser) and recently got two 1898 spr armory actions(no bolt or stuff) that screams to me, "22 hornet", i have a 93 mayser that i want to do(257 roberts)and i have to funds for my youngest son's 93 mauser barrel(7x57), either douglas or green mountain barrel. i got too many irons in the fire
i haven't thought much about the 95 mauser, but i'm thinking that 6.5x57 or a 35x57 or a 9.5x57 will be it. but as of right now, the 95 mauser is on my back shelf. when i'm sanding and buying a barrel, then i'll begin on one of the 1898 spr armory action(22 hornet).
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Have a Belgian military 7mm barrel 29" long and never been on a rifle. And a 1895 Chilean action. Bolt face could use a bit of cleaning up due to the corrosive primers. Barrel has no sights and never did. Would definitely be a great canadate for the 7mm. Course would have to get the bolt setup for a low mounted scope and drilled and tapped. And I seem to remember seeing a 1895 stock sitting in the closet. And a couple 1891 Argy actions,a Siamese action,Russian/Finnish action with the winged connector. The only thing I don't have is money. Frank
Midway has Green Mountain barrels for M98 actions in 35 Whelen and 30-06 for $90 to $150. Any good machinist/gunsmith could easily rethread for SR actions and set back for the existing chamber to headspace on the 30x57 or the 35x57 formed cases. That would save the cost of reamer rental also.
I guess the changes of time have caught up with me regards to the SR prethreaded Shilen barrels I got from Brownell's and Midway. Seems "reasonably priced" has gone up....considerably. They also are no longer in stock at Brownell's or Midway. From midway they are special ordered and if ordered today should arrive in October which is pretty fast actually. They are "long chambered" so a finish reamer isn't needed but a lathe is still needed and used to set back the barrel shoulder to final headspace. I have done that with a couple barrels and it's fairly easy and simple. They run $329 to $350 at Midway.
As to the 338x57; that would entail a new barrel be fitted, a rough and finish reamer to chamber and headspace and custom reloading dies. All in all hardly inexpensive and one I would not do on a SR Mauser action.
Larry Gibson
“Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
― Nikola Tesla
if you want a family story, i got one!!! my great grandfather, pap, dad, late uncle, me and my oldest son have used and killed many deer with the 1898 springfield armory(bubbasized) in 30-40 krag. i was the first one(krag who uses cast boolits, heck, i'm the first guy who has ever handloaded in my family.
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BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |