Old as in developed in 1877, new as I figured I needed to load some, but had not loaded them before. After a few relatives and friends had asked me if I reloaded 38 S&W's, and one of the members on here advertised a set of dies and brass, I figured it was time. Since I already load various varieties of 38 Specials the boolits were not a problem... 148 grain Speer swaged wad cutters (miked out close to .360 and with a hollow base), 160 grain Speer swaged swc's, and pulled Winchester 158 grain round nose boolits from a box of 38 Specials a buddy bought for me when Walmart got out of the gun bidness. All sitting on top of 2.3 grains of Bullseye - per Hatcher's Textbook of Pistols and Revolvers - the section on the 38 S&W. Now I just need to distribute them and see how they shoot.