Test3: Hubel-FH-BlazingSabot-inspired loads and pictures

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Elite Musketeer Brother Cpileri, I'm broke, so I'll share my last 2 cents:
Any time you use A. Steel powder be sure to get the mileage from it by using only Fed.209A magnum primer for proper combustion and efficiency that the powder is capable of delivering.

I never even tried to bother getting the Reloader-17 powder but if I had it I would certainly use the Federal 209A magnum primer too and start off with a charge of 75 gr as my starting load and move on to 76.5, 78, 79.5, 81, 82.5 & 84 gr while using only Fiocchi hulls and be watching out for pressure signs like a Hawk! ! !

Remember, its your face next to the gun when firing these loads and your dentures that will need to be re-glued back after the range session.

Powder's like 2400, 4227 have been a disaster in my tests so far even tho I used the Fed. 209A magnum primers, my luck ! !

That's it, Brother, I'll be quiet for a few day's to recover & regain my strength.

I got to go the Golden Hour is approaching fast ! !

I'm proud to be a Elite Musketeer, among other Elite Musketeer's here.
" One for all & All for one "

Best regards,
Ajay
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[cpileri]

And my luck has been good w 4227 as well as the combo of Fio 616 primers with Steel. So far anyway.

Golden Hour?

C-

[cpileri]

jmortimer,
my 20" Mossberg manufactured 870 smoothbore barrel slugs to .730 (cylinder bore). Hope that helps.
C-

[cpileri]

Ajay,
You think 75gr of Reloader-17 will burn well in a 12ga case? In an old thread, Turbo suggested 75gr as the min (and 100gr as max) in a 20ga case using 1-oz fullbore slugs. here, post #326:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?7916-12GA-FH-Slug-Tester&p=714500&viewfull=1#post714500

I am fact checking, as well as seeing if the original posters of their data have since changed their positions on anything. If there is enough anecdotal evidence of safety, regardless of load efficiency or accuracy, i might at least pull the trigger- maybe using a string from behind a tree; lacking any actual pressure test info, that is.

[Carryacolt]

I too followed Turbo's and Ed Huble's info using R-17. Started with 80gr and in 1.0gr increments to 95gr then .5gr to 100gr. No signs of pressure on any of them. I shoot the Savage 220F with roll crimps. Best group so far is 4.5" at 100yd. If my memory is correct, they shot a tad over 1800fps. Now I am reloading with 4759.

[Carryacolt]

And that was using Turbo's full bore 1oz TC slug. Using now also with the 4759. I want that 4" group or smaller to hunt with. I want to try the OP wad Ajay has developed for his Super Blazing Sabots project. When he started it, it looked like he would have some ready for market by now but I think there were some production problems and so he is still working to get them finished and up for sale. Using some of the steel shot wads and cutting the OP wad off and using it is about the best that is out there right now.

[cpileri]

Dear Mr. Carryacolt,
Thank you so much for the info! I really was hoping to hear from others like you who did the Re-17 "thing" and lived to tell the tale.
So you went from 75 to 100gr in a 20ga?
C-

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Brother Cpileri, this Elite Musketeer Brother Carry A Colt is a lucky guy with a range of his own right there on his property.

I only wish I did not have to travel 1 hour to the range one way!

He too is an entrepreneur like you and we all Musketeer's can learn from your experiences.

My hat's off to you both, thank you for making me loose my hat, my bald head is now showing my age!
What kind of a Musketeer's you guys are.

You know last time I had a good laugh when one of my Brother Elite Musketeer wrote in a post " My Ball are too small "
I replied mine too ! ! !
I kept going to that post for days laughing, I desperately need another one of those Great laugh's.


I'm proud to be a Elite Musketeer, among other Elite Musketeer's here.
" One for all & All for one "

Best regards,
Ajay
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[Carryacolt]

Cpileri,
I started at 80gr and worked up to 100gr. Turbo has killed two deer with the 100gr of R-17. He has done a lot of testing with the R-17 in the 20ga. I buy his 1oz TC slugs. With all the powders available(if ya can find any) it shouldn't be real difficult to get a load that will put five or better yet, ten slugs into a four inch group at a hundred yds. I can shoot ten rounds from my 243wssm into a half inch group so four inch with a 62 caliber should be possible.

[Carryacolt]

Ajay,
I'm not getting bald yet but the grey is setting in real well. I think I'm just a year or so ahead of ya. Just turned 69 last month but feel like I'm still in my 20's. Went fishing on a fly-in up in Canada over the 4th of July. Caught 92 walleye and 54 pike. The largest pike was 40" and the largest walleye was 5+ lbs. Our camp was 80 miles north of where we parked the truck and jumped into the "beaver" (single engine bush plane) to get there. This was my 2nd fly-in to this camp. What a trip it was. Would like to go back in the fall with my 62cal rifle (20ga) and Turbo's 1oz TC slugs to get a moose. Saw six of those while up there fishing.
Sorry, another dam bunny trail... Back to sluggin ... Any idea what your timeline is now for getting your OP wads and/or sabots out to market ?? We here are all watching and waiting for the "big day" we can start shooting a real first class 20 ga wad and sabot.

[cpileri]

Gettin old is a drag! Well, to be honest, it has its perks too.

So, its "super Ajay" now? Fine w me.

And I did find that those .578 minie ball conicals intended for the Hubelsabots fit just right in 20ga trap commander wads. Darnit! Now i have to go thru all this again in 20ga. No, must resist. Must finish 12ga first. Cannot handle THIS much fun...

Plan to (hope to) test 12ga loads on pigs this weekend. Will report back of course!
C-

[cpileri]

Soooo.....
Turbo sells those slugs?? Hmmm..... and is the 20ga USH barrel a big monster thick barrel that fits the 12ga USH frame????
C-

Cpileri,
I started at 80gr and worked up to 100gr. Turbo has killed two deer with the 100gr of R-17. He has done a lot of testing with the R-17 in the 20ga. I buy his 1oz TC slugs. With all the powders available(if ya can find any) it shouldn't be real difficult to get a load that will put five or better yet, ten slugs into a four inch group at a hundred yds. I can shoot ten rounds from my 243wssm into a half inch group so four inch with a 62 caliber should be possible.

[Carryacolt]

Yes it is. That's one of the most popular slug guns that guys are using for high velocity loads. Price is fair on them also.

[hubel458]

The 20ga USH bull barrel fits the SB1 frame which is set up
for breach diameter of 1.10" and all of NEF's shot and regular
weight barrels go on this size frame.

The 12ga USH and the heavy barreled 10ga go on the SB2 frame
which is for 1.200" breach diameter.Ed

[cpileri]

Ok, so i would need a whole new gun. Thanks, Ed. That does make it easier to hold off for awhile. Still have that smoothebore to check roundballs-in-wadcups.... Must resist! Will strong. Flesh weak...c-

[Hogtamer]

C, let me know when you're ready to start on those 20 ga loads. I've got a single .570 ball load worked up that has amazed me with its accuracy and power that I'm getting (4"@50 yds) out of a 1100 Remington IC choke. Using Speer .58 cal swaged round balls. HT

[cpileri]

I sure will. Ill get thru this weekends 12ga tests first, then depending on how it goes think abt working on 20ga.
C-