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Thread: How can someone be so smart and so misinformed?

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    How can someone be so smart and so misinformed?

    I know a guy that casts beautiful bullets for a lot of guns. 45/70, .30, 8mm, etc. He's a credit to the hobby.

    Today I heard him say with regards to shooting cast out of an M1 Carbine, "You can't do that, you'll lead it up, the twist is too fast and the rifling too shallow for cast lead."

    Didn't matter that I shot a better group with cast than with 110 round nose jacketed, or that I told him I had about 1000 or so through said gun with no leading and no function problems, running about 1900 fps, he was adamant that I was nuts.

    Go figure.

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    You are mistaken in your assessment of him as "so smart".

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    Unfortunately, some are like that. At the range when you say you're shooting cast, you get, "Yeah, they're inaccurate, lead and ruin your barrel."

    Typical statements from someone not in the know.

    To quote Brother Dave Gardner of old........ "Let them that didn't want none have memories of not getting any......"

    That will leave more cast for me to shoot./beagle
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    Some people refuse to acknowledge fact and reality, even when it stares them in the face, preferring, instead, to lead their lives in blissful ignorance.

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    I am always amazed at what can be accomplished by someone who doesn't know something can't be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btroj View Post
    I am always amazed at what can be accomplished by someone who doesn't know something can't be done.
    That's how Henry Ford got unbreakable glass for his windshields. Everybody told him it was impossible, so he interviewed a series of fresh, new engineers, and his primary question during the interview was what they thought about making safe windshields. He hired the one engineer that didn't tell him it couldn't be done. That engineer went straight to the job of it, invented tempered, laminated glass, and Henry Ford got what he needed.

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    Back when I apprenticed to a blacksmith, he taught me if something was impossible to do, just add three days onto the delivery date. Darned if he couldn't pull it off every time, too!
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    You can take almost any manufacturing process, describe it to someone as something new and most of the time they will tell you it's impossible.
    I have watched some processes that I still think are impossible.
    I always worry about lead collecting in the gas tubes of gas operated semi-autos.

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    Before I joined this site I thought you could only use 10gns of shotgun powder under a lead boolit and that I could only shoot 1'' groups at 100 with jacketted. Pat

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    Maybe he had an m1 carbine that didn't work well with cast for some reason. He may also not have found this site which is amazing btw.
    "Is all this REALLY necessary?"

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    Don't tell me "CAN'T" ! I'll show you some "CAN"T!
    I always told my kids " Cant never could do nuthin".
    Really , some people just get something stuck in their head and cannot get past it. Its worse the older the person is too.
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    Well I have recently become a convert. Not that it "couldn't be done", I simply didn't want top bad enough. While not with the M1, I had apprehensions of shoving a heavy chunk of lead down my bore at high pressure and velocity. I am over that now that I have done it. Well mostly anyhow.

    I always told my kids " Cant never could do nuthin".
    Yep, that brings a whole flood of memories back, I can here my pop now,

    "Don't won't, couldn't wouldn't, and can't never could", plus quite a few more. It was usually followed up by, "now get your "donkey" up here, and lets get done with this".
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    they don't know what it is they don't know!

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    There's stupid and there's ignorant. Ya can't fix stupid, but you can educate the ignorant. No guarantee they'll have an easy time of it or that they'll end up thinking just like you do, but you can inform them if their minds are open.

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    Knowledgable in a narrow frame and highly opinionated. CLosed minded and not willing to learn. I don't define that as "smart".
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    Glad this came up and reminded me i haven't shot my M1 lately.

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    It always amazes me how many things I've done that I found out later couldn't be--good thing no one told me they were impossible before I did them--I might not have tried. Well, I probably would have anyway on second thought--I tend to ignore the nay-sayers with amazing regularity.
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    I put a couple thousand rounds of cast through an M1 Carbine and the only issue I encountered was a bit of lead fouling in the gas port. Could've been an alloy issue, but dealing with it was no big deal so I just kept shooting it out of ignorance that cast bullets were no good for it. It was a sweet shooting fun little gun but the novelty wore off after a while so away it went.

    I know a guy who has over 150 of them in his collection, but he refuses to shoot cast in them. Of course he doesn't shoot much jacketed either. The only one that gets "aired out" occasionally is his M2.

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    do the impossible first then that makes the others look easy
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