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    Liquid Turtle Carnauba Wax

    Is this a potential substitute for JPW regarding lubing boolits?

    Has anyone ever used this before and how does it hold up to the same velocity levels as JPW and LLA?

    Interested in the fact that it is a liquid Carnuaba wax and how it would perform if mixed with some LLA as well.

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    I use it when I paper patch.
    Works well for me.
    I also use it on my firearms.
    No rust.

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    Somebody once told me that car way has fine abrasives added to it. I don't know if that is true of this stuff or not.
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    I don't know about turtle wax but MANY automotive waxes contain abrasives.
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    If the lable says it cleans and polishes then it most likely will contain a fine mild abrasive. Is it enough to harm your barrel? I don't know but I once waxed the clear coat off a Honda Civic by waxing it too much over a couple of years! Wax makers add the abrasive to remove the oxidiation on the top of the paint.
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    For years now, I've used Turtle Wax "Scratch and Swirl Remover" because I wanted the slightly more-aggressive polishing action.

    An ounce or so in the 1/8"-grind corncob gives wonderful results, and I haven't seen any nasty effects on any of my equipment, including dies that see a LOT of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceB View Post
    For years now, I've used Turtle Wax "Scratch and Swirl Remover" because I wanted the slightly more-aggressive polishing action.

    An ounce or so in the 1/8"-grind corncob gives wonderful results, and I haven't seen any nasty effects on any of my equipment, including dies that see a LOT of work.
    BruceB, don't you think that the pressure applied in a "barrel-bullet" contact would surpass that of "corncob-brass" interaction? If I wanted to fire-lap my barrel on a regular bases, I might try a car polish/wax as my boolit lube.
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    Just what do you call abrasive? Silicone carbide is abrasive but kitchen cleanser is sold as an abrasive also. S C is used to fire lap and DOES remove metal but most cleansers are made of fluoride which is just barely tough enough to take the oxide off paint and can NOT harm steel. There is a bigger difference between them than the difference between lead and tungsten carbide. You can scratch paint with a finger nail so I do not think the car polish have any abrasive in them that could ever harm a rifle bbl. What do you think?

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    I suggest Reinissance wax available from many sources. Works great protects beautifies and contains NO abrasives.
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    Right now I load cast bullets for about twenty rifles. Many of these have been in my racks for well upwards of 20 years, and I started using auto polish with corncob back when I had my first Thumler's Tumbler which died of old age back around '90 or so.

    My current Midway tumbler is now showing its advancing geriatric status, too, but between the two, I've used the corncob/polish treatment on my brass for well over 20 years. There have been no apparent ill effects in any of my rifle barrels.

    The abrasives used, as noted by Bad Water Bill, are extremely mild, and I simply don't worry about it. The concentration is very limited, and not sufficient to damage anything. In my own experience, the jewellers' rouge used in many commercial tumbling media is actually more abrasive than the auto polishes, and it most certainly leaves a residue on the brass which is very noticeable on a case-lube pad.

    The Turtle Wax surely does shine brass, though! The thin wax film left behind on the brass stops any sign of tarnishing for many months, too.
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    Just read the labling on the product you wish to try, it will tell ya if it is abrasive. There are loads of car waxes and polishes that do not contain abrasives in them. But on the same note there loads that do so you must read the lable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceB View Post
    Right now I load cast bullets for about twenty rifles. Many of these have been in my racks for well upwards of 20 years, and I started using auto polish with corncob back when I had my first Thumler's Tumbler which died of old age back around '90 or so.

    My current Midway tumbler is now showing its advancing geriatric status, too, but between the two, I've used the corncob/polish treatment on my brass for well over 20 years. There have been no apparent ill effects in any of my rifle barrels.

    The abrasives used, as noted by Bad Water Bill, are extremely mild, and I simply don't worry about it. The concentration is very limited, and not sufficient to damage anything. In my own experience, the jewellers' rouge used in many commercial tumbling media is actually more abrasive than the auto polishes, and it most certainly leaves a residue on the brass which is very noticeable on a case-lube pad.

    The Turtle Wax surely does shine brass, though! The thin wax film left behind on the brass stops any sign of tarnishing for many months, too.
    Well, I was referring to the OP's question; "Is this a potential substitute for JPW regarding lubing boolits?" I'm not concerned at all about it being damaging to brass or you tumbler.
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    I use my own concoction of bullet lube consisting of Beeswax, parafine, paste auto wax, and a little alox. I realize there is alittle cleaner abrasive in the auto wax. But here is the kicker, there is abrasives and there are abrasives. Does anyone here believe the abrasive used in tooth paste has the same harmful effects as the abrasive used to polish a diamond. Get real folks, the abrasive used in auto polish is a very fine and soft abrasive otherwise it would ruin the paint/clear coat finish.

    Yes it is possible to ruin the clear coat with to much waxing, High pressure air going thru a nozzle will also erode the nozzle in time.

    I would imagine in time the polishing compound from the auto wax or the tumbling media residue will erode the barrel, but hardly in anyones lifetime. Sorta like waiting for a pampered .22 rimfire barrel to wear out, it will in time but just who's lifetime.

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    What is the the affect of heat and pressure on these abrasives??

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    Obviously not much. As I stated they are a soft abrasive. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds using this lube with auto wax as one of the ingredients, so far all I have is a bright shinny bore. I have no idea why heat would even be brought up to considered.

    This is not ground up sand that we're talking about.

    Something else to consider is how long did a blackpowder rifle barrel last using a cloth patch. I would imagine a cloth is alot more abrasive than the polishing comp in auto wax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcwit View Post
    Obviously not much. As I stated they are a soft abrasive. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds using this lube with auto wax as one of the ingredients, so far all I have is a bright shinny bore. I have no idea why heat would even be brought up to considered.

    This is not ground up sand that we're talking about.

    Something else to consider is how long did a blackpowder rifle barrel last using a cloth patch. I would imagine a cloth is alot more abrasive than the polishing comp in auto wax.
    Heat tends to change compounds and yes there is heat. After all a rifle is a heat engine.

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    Here is a KNOPP hardness scale

    Sample values Material HK
    Gold foil 69
    Quartz 820
    Silicon carbide 2480
    Diamond 8000

    As you can see there are many items harder than bbl steel but the abrasives used in many polishes are not much harder than finger nails.

    As for someone worrying about heat ??? give me a break just how much heat can YOU build up in a lube with any mild abrasive? Yes you can carbonize anything with enough heat but it would take more time than the trip down a bbl to do that. Yes I have been involved with gemology since they started making synthetic diamonds and other very hard abrasive items and NO you can not build up that kind of pressure in a gun bbl without finding yourself sitting WITH your ancestors

    Yes there is also a MOHNS test but it only goes from 1-10 so can not show the true spread between different elements.

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    my thoughts were about the lube left in the barrel after firing, it would be subject to heat . All I was asking was a couple of questions no need for you to get all abrasive You seem to be an expert on the subject so I will accept your opinion.

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    Good luck finding out what's in Turtle Wax. I've pounded the mouse for hours on several occasions just trying to find out how much carnauba is reall in the plain ol' paste stuff, no dice, not even on the hippie/allergin/all natural product review sites.

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    For what it costs, probably very little. However it also works very well in the tumbler.

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