This is further to some pellet testing of these cast pellets. First off, I have been casting for ever, including commercially. I have not gotten good accuracy with the cast pellets, certainly not up to the JSB pellets that both guns like. I weighed all of them and separated them to shoot groups, still no joy, then I noticed that they are seriously spiralling, even at 40 yards. Standing the pellets on their skirts showed them to not sit straight, the pellets look perfect until you look at them standing on end. There is no noticeable flashing on the skirts but need to figure this out as both guns shoot one hole groups with the right pellets. The best so far are ones with the full length skirts and using 20-1 alloy, while I'm a fan of short skirts, they didn't work here. I'll keep testing and report when things improve.