What hulls to use for 00 and 0000 Buck?

[Just Duke]

What once fired reloadable shot shells are available and compatible with buck shot loads these days? Where would I acquire the once fired hull also.
The last time I loaded shotshells was 1977 on a Mec Grabber with Blue Magic Hulls and the green ribbed Remington hulls. I finally ran out and the Mec has disappeared somehow and will need to be replace. Right now I have what's left of the Buck Shot loaner mould and 60 pounds of odd ball lead I was saving and didn't know why.
TIA,
Duke

[ovendoctor]

Remington premier,STS,WW-AA, are my main stay's
ya need a care package to get back on your feet?

Doc.

[Just Duke]

Remington premier,STS,WW-AA, are my main stay's
ya need a care package to get back on your feet?

Doc.

That would be great.

[Just Duke]

This is the first time I have seen the Remington STS hulls. Pretty much look like Blue Magic low base brass but I'm really liking the green color.


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[Just Duke]

I found this over at Cascity. http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/ind...c,40123.0.html

Like Lucky said, they are the Remington Hulls.* Technically the STS are the "Green" Hulls and Nitro 27 Hulls are "Gold".





Except for color they load and perform the same.* I like the Gold because the look good on the shell belt. :

For those who don't know the internal differences between the Remington and current Winchester AA hulls here it is:

A pair worn Remington hulls after a few reloads (smokeless only).* STS on left, Nitro 27 on right (note they are the same construction)


The new Winchester AA hulls in both red and black.* While they are not the true Reifenhauser style as I said in an earlier post, they are now a 2 piece design.



I'm not bad mouthing the Winchester design, they just aren't the "one-piece" compression formed hulls that the Win AA made it's reputation on.* The new design which is protected by patent is not the sometimes problematic Reifenhauser design it is a two stage compression formed and fused hull.* Internally the new Winchester hulls are more or less identical to the old one piece hulls.* The disadvantage for us as BP shooters is that there is apparently a change to the polymer alloy that allows the two pieces to fuse together under heat and pressure.* That same trait makes them burn and melt more easily under the increased heat from BP.

With the ubiquity of AA hulls and the fact you can pick them up everywhere, you could use them once and throw them away.* Even so, I still think the Remington hulls shuck better even after the first reload with BP.* Maybe someone will do some controlled friction tests between the two, but it needs to be done as soon as the gun is fired and allowing them to slide out at some controlled angle.

Regards,
Mako

[Fla9-40]

I order from an old codger in Florida, Here is his site:
https://sites.google.com/site/papcharlieshulls/

Nice man to deal with and ships FAST!

Here is him shooting some skeet :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFyaL67TiEg

[ovendoctor]

That would be great.

what is your preference
I do have the old style AA Winchester
and premier[I think]ill look tomorrow

just checked and the sts, premier are missing in action
probably still down state
have a lot of the old style AA and black ribbed RP low brass unibody's
let me know by Pm if interested

Doc.

[Just Duke]

Thanks OD. Looks like I'm going to go with the Remington STS hulls. I'm going to try and find a couple thousand.

[ovendoctor]

ok no problem

Doc.

[Fla9-40]

What wads work well in the STS and Gun Club with 000 buck?
I tried the Clay Busters 1100 and the hull will not load in the chamber(using 6 - 000 BS) Well it will chamber but to tight for me to chance it.

[Mooseman]

Try the Remington Power piston wads, they are shorter, also a white AA wad may work.

[Fla9-40]

Try the Remington Power piston wads, they are shorter, also a white AA wad may work.

Thanks I will see what I can come up with!

[Just Duke]

Try the Remington Power piston wads, they are shorter, also a white AA wad may work.

Thanks Mooseman. Is there enough room in the wad for the buckshot to stack correctly?

http://www.remington.com/en/products...hell-wads.aspx
Would these work better than Fiber wads and a teflon wrap? http://www.circlefly.com/html/products.html

[Just Duke]

A duplication of REMINGTON REDUCED RECOIL load would work. What size shot cup would be require?
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/en/.../BUCKSHOT.aspx

LAW ENFORCEMENT BUCKSHOT
Remington Law Enforcement Buckshot is available in standard and Magnum loadings, and provides the reliability, consistency, and stopping power you need when a shotgun comes out of the rack. Our 9-pellet Law Enforcement Buckshot loading created a new standard of pattern performance with the addition of our one-piece compression section Power Piston® wad column, polymer buffering and hardened 3% antimony pellets. The combination of these advanced features produce patterns 25% tighter than standard buckshot. In addition, 9 pellet Law Enforcement Buckshot is primer and mouth waterproofed for maximum reliability and weather integrity.
Loads Law Enforcement Buckshot
Index IDI No. SPL1200
Ramac 20812
Gauge 12
Shell Length 2-3/4
Dram Equiv. 3-3/4
Velocity (ft/sec) 1325
Number of Pellets 9
Shot Size 00 Buck
Rounds Per Box 25
Boxes Per Case 10


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[sargenv]

Generally, 00 buck is about 8 pellets to the oz.. so a 9 pellet load would be in the 1 1/8 oz range.. standard target loads is what I use for the 9 pellet at "tactical" velocities.. otherwise if I want to go "hot" I go with a 1 1/8 oz field load.. something in the 3 3/4 dram 1 1/8 oz payload velocity.. HS6, Herco, and other medium slow burners..

[Just Duke]

Generally, 00 buck is about 8 pellets to the oz.. so a 9 pellet load would be in the 1 1/8 oz range.. standard target loads is what I use for the 9 pellet at "tactical" velocities.. otherwise if I want to go "hot" I go with a 1 1/8 oz field load.. something in the 3 3/4 dram 1 1/8 oz payload velocity.. HS6, Herco, and other medium slow burners..

Would Unique or Clays work? I have two 8 pounders of each.

[Mooseman]

Here is a 9 pellet loading video.


I would use Blue Dot personally But...
Here is Hodgons Online date where you select the component shells and powder and the list has many options for Clays powder.

Rich

[ovendoctor]

+1 blue dot for heavy loads
ill have to do some digging for the data on the 3/4 oz low recoil loads I use

Doc.

[Just Duke]

I just brought home the STS hulls today I picked up from a local member here. I just need wads now.

[shotman]

If you load hot just do a few. there is reason for the high brass.
guy on trapshooters has the high brass hulls from time to time