Be careful Fishslayer. There is some really bad brass laying around my club's range and......we have a new threat too , the salvage expert, scrounging everything for the pure scrap value. BvT
Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil.
Since almost all aspects of our cultural existence are LIBERAL in most states, this means that the nation is on a trajectory to dissolution by the burden of toleration and acceptance of LAWBREAKING as a norm, a trajectory back to the dark ages of history.
BvT
I don't worry too much whether brass actually is once fired, figuring that if it looks good enough to be once fired, it's good enough to be reloaded.
I've learned, though, that any previously fired rifle brass is pretty useless for wildcat case-forming.
I would hate to be their lawyer or insurance company. Many business people actually cause themselves trouble by "over involving" themselves. So, if the range prohibits anything but factory, they probably have some leg to stand on and have a claim against someone who injures others because of a violation. But, as soon as my employee starts inspecting and gives the "ok", then my liability has really increased. I could just hear the attorneys in that deposition!! "So, Mr. Rangeowner, you hired qualified, expert ammo inspectors to do this very important job and insure the safety and protection of everyone else on the range?? Where is his certification and degree from??" Yikes.
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I am with Shiloh, I shoot my brass untll it splits,I have never had any trouble with it. I shoot .223,.357,38 special,45 colt,45acp,308,7mm mauser, I have been reloading for 56 years. many of my brass cases have been reloaded as least 20 or more times. I can not see why if a case has been fired more than twice,it isn't any good.if the primer don't fall out,it's good to go.
"Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton
Converting lead into gold
I do exactly the same as Alchemist, clean to remove dirt and after sizing to remove lube...dale
I have no problem with anyone picking up brass at the range. It's your hobby and your business. For my purposes I never pick up brass except to look at it and then discard it. I want new brass from factory ammo or my loads with factory new brass. That way it is fire formed to my rifles chamber. I resize minimally to maintain good ammo to chamber fit. The best accuracy will result when concentricity about the bore axis is maintained. This is why the bench rest guys shoot tight neck chambers and neck turn their cases so there is about .001" neck clearance around a chambered cartridge. It also helps if your chamber is close to SAAMI minimum specs. Loading this way I get maximum case life for the cartridge I'm shooting. Typically, my primer pockets loosen before necks split or cases stretch.
I realize that shooting a lot of ammo is great fun for a lot of folks. I go about my shooting a bit more slowly and try to shoot bugholes.
Regards to all,
Tony
I thought that we were past this!
There is some ammo and more ammo. There is never enough ammo!
Magtech/CBC brass from the factory has a sort of "V" shaped mark impressed on the primer. If you see that mark, and even with a strong firing pin dent it can still be seen, then you know it is 1X fired.
As far as pistol brass, heck I don't bother sorting by headstamps let alone how many firings. I lose autopistol brass before it splits 90% of the time. As far as revolver, run it until you see mouth starting to split then chuck it.
Due to market fluctuations I am no longer buying range scrap jackets.
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BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |