Lee die to "DeGlock" brass

[DLCTEX]

I saw an ad in the March Guns & Ammo for an attachment for the Lee FCD that pushes the brass through the die to resize the bulge from unsupported cases in the Glock type chambers. Retail is 19.98, but I don't find it in Lee's online catalog. I don't own such a pistol but do encounter some of the brass. Looks as if it may be a way to salvage such brass. Appears to be an alignment sleeve and a long push rod. Also has the bullet sizer type of plastic container to catch and hold the sized cases.

[Lee]

There's a youtube video showing how to use the Lee FCD with a home made pusher to do the same thing. Search 40 S&W sizing or some such. Unless there's construction differences, you could possibly use your sizing die(?) plastic cup to catch the boolits as they are pushed thru the FCD. Otherwise, the same hand that feeds the case, catches the case as it comes thru the die. I had some .40 that I ran thru mine, and it "de-glocked" the case just fine. Went from "won't chamber 3/8" to "drop into the chamber easy". Don't remember what I used for a pusher, cobbled something together. If I do it again, I'll turn one and make it easier to use. I also sprayed them with the Midway/Frankford **** case sizing lube. It made the operation SO much easier. Then a quick trip thru the tumbler, and ready to go.......Lee

[JesseCJC]

not to sure about using the lee bullet sizing set up for case sizing, but I just use the FCD on my 5th station of the LNL. I purchased mine from midway though

http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#lee..._1-2-4_8-16-32

[mike in co]

about 10 yrs ago a offered dillon a set of full lenght pistol case sizing dies....they passed.

fairly simple to do. buy lee carbide sizers, cut the top off, have a machine shop hone the carbide to the correct dia( a large business..dillon...could just have dies made with the correct size carbide insert). machine a stud/spud to fit the press and the die, done.
hornady has a 40 push thru die on the market.


mike in co

[HeavyMetal]

Used the Lee FCD die to full length size a bunch of 40 brass I kept. A lot of it had been through a Glock and was bulged to the point it wouldn't chamber in my buddies XD after normal sizing.

Just took a ram from my 9mm push through bolit sizer, pulled the crimp set up out of the die and started shoving them through just like the video on U tube!

Every 8th round or so I put some imperial sizing die wax on a case and things went pretty smooth for a 1000 rounds.

Haven't read G&A in yr's but it doesn't surprise me that a tool is being offered.

Seen the Hornady die set up as well so enough reloaders are having trouble with once fired 40 brass to make it worth tooling up and making the die.

[scb]

http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/grxpushthru.html

Another option. More expensive tho.

[acoilfld]

EGW makes a die for that. I haven't used the die, but I have purchased other items from them which were very good quality.
http://egw-guns.com/store/index.php?...products_id=40

[bohokii]

i too saw the ad its $19.95 basically its sold as the factory crimp die with base reducing capability

i guess they saw the youtube vid where someone just uses the factory crimp die and a pusher from a bullet sizing kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-PszuLwEu8

[Lee]

JesseCJC,
I meant to say, use the plastic cup from the sizing die set-up to capture the cases, if it is easily fit/adapted to a Lee FCD. Sorry if that was confusing.
The Lee ad I saw showed a plastic cup "thingie" that was supposed to sit on top of the set up and capture the cases after the FCD push through sizing. Not knowing any better, I wonder/suspect it is the SAME plastic "cup" you get with your Lee push thru boolit sizing die set?? Interchangeability is where it's at! (or should be).........
HeavyMetal got the idea. Did essentially the same thing I did. Salvages a lot of brass!!!
bohokii..yes that's the ad. I think it's just a standard FCD, Lee is touting "base reducing capability" in order to sell more stuff?? If true, those of you with a .40S&W FCD only need the "pusher" and a plastic cup on top(if desired) to de-glock that brass...........

P.S. straight walled cases of course. IIRC a 9mm is slightly tapered, so a push thru "sizing" die could get real interesting!!

[Johnch]

As a 40 S&W suposed to be .427 ?
And guys are using the cases as 44 mag jackets

Why couldn't we just use a Lee .427 or .429 sizer die to reduce the Glock bumb

If the lead into the die wasn't large enough to take a unsized case mouth
Maybe a more tapered angle into the die would be needed to size the case mouth

But I would bet it would work

John

[cheese1566]

Here are the instructions:

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/1855.pdf

[DLCTEX]

Sizing loaded rounds? I suppose it wouldn't be much different than a rifle bolt shoving on a case, but it made me stop and think. I'd want my push pin to have a slight concave in case I leave a primer high.

[nighthunter]

GlockJockey posted a youtube video in chat last night of a sizeing die set up that I think he devised. It would probably work very well for this purpose. I think that if you viewed the video you could adapt his idea to a single stage press very easily. A PM to GlockJockey would probably be the easiest way to request the link to the video. Maybe he could post the link on this thread for all to see.

Nighthunter

[HeavyMetal]

Typically Lee isn't thinking this through in thier instructions.

My experinece with trying to size loaded rounds is you wind up with loose boolits in the case afterwards!

This system should be used only to resize case's before the loading process is started. Done once you won't have to do it again unless you shoot a Glock.

The advantage to using the Lee FCD die is it's carbide which means no lube or seroius application of pressure to the operating handle.

Very few pistol case's are "straight", tried a few 9mm's in a FCD crimp die and wound up with "sized" case rim's.

If you own or are going to buy a 40 S&W pistol then purchase the Lee die set that comes with the FCD die and your ready to handle any case's you shoot or buy/scrounge!

[mike in co]

Sizing loaded rounds? I suppose it wouldn't be much different than a rifle bolt shoving on a case, but it made me stop and think. I'd want my push pin to have a slight concave in case I leave a primer high.

as long as the surface was relatively flat, PUSHING on a primed case is relatively safe. it takes an IMPACT (firing pin, dropped on a sharp corner) to detonate a primer.



mike in co

[DLCTEX]

I don't think it is meant to size the neck area, but to remove the bulge near the base that is not reached with a regular size die due to the shell holder stopping the die and the tapered leade to start the case in the die. As far as the FCD sizing a boolit after it is seated, I find that if the case is being resized when it is withdrawn from the die then something is wrong that needs correcting (such as a bulged case from excessive crimping., for one).

[zardoz]

I'm a recent Glock owner, as just today I shot a 10mm for the very first time in my life today. A Glock 20 purchased just two days ago.

I fired 10 rounds of Remington factory, and did a quick analysis.

Using electronic calipers, I measured right at the area of maximum bulge.

New unfired factory rounds measured. 0.419 to 0.420"

Fired rounds (or "Glocked") measured at 0.430" consistently at the same area.

Then I took the stuff out of a Lee 40 S&W FCD, and used a .401 bullet sizing punch to "unGlock" the brass. Those all measured 0.423" consistently at the area in question.

Quick and inexpensive. I also have the Redding re-sizer die on order, and very curious as to how it compares to the Lee FCD method.

EDIT: Meant to add, that my intention is to take this resized brass, reload with a cast boolit, and then see if it chambers in a Lone Wolf barrel on order. I have been reading on the forum here, and elsewhere that dimensions for the Lone Wolf are tight, and things must be carefully measured for proper operation. Will update once all the bits and pieces are in.

The main thing I want to know, is any difference between the Lee FCD method, and the Redding die method.

[jhrosier]

FWIW, I recently bought a Lee FCD to remove the Glock bump from range pickup brass.
It is a lot simpler to just size all of the cases rather than try to figure out what gun they werre shot from.
The empty fired case is pushed rim first through the die with a pusher from a Lee boolit sizing die.
The "guts" need to be removed from the die for this operation.
It works just fine on plain brass but some nickled brass took way too much pressure to resize.
I have very little of the nickled brass and will probably just give it away rather than mess with it.

Jack

[bohokii]

does anybody have a before and after case length does pushing in the bulge lengthen cases any?

i think the instructions are lame advising not to use that to reload for glock


i mean what the heck do they think we are going to do shoot factory stuff in our glocks then use this and only reload for our beretta 96 or smith and wesson?

for those who havent seen it

[DLCTEX]

If you keep reducing the bulge and then blowing it back out in a
glock your brass life will be very short.