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Thread: Is shooting a revolver with scope incrediably difficult?

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    Is shooting a revolver with scope incrediably difficult?

    I have a brand new BFR in 500 S&W Magnum. I put a 2X Burris Handgun Scope on it. I used the supplied MR rail and 4 Weigand scope rings. I used loctite and everything is nice and tight when I pull and twist on it. It does not budge. I have tried two loads both using 350 grain plated bullets. One load was 38 grains of W296 and the other 16 grains of Unique.

    When shooting from 20 yards off a rest, I have 3 bullets go into the center of a 3 inch target. The other two go a foot high or low.

    I have another BFR in 45-70 that has an Ultradot on it. I have no trouble hitting 6 inch targets from 60 yards with that gun.

    I'm thinking I am the cause of the 500 S&W not hitting where I want it to, but not sure what my problem is. It's not because I am flinching. The 45-70 loads I am shooting have much more recoil than the 500.

    Are revolvers with scopes really hard to master?

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    Assuming you are not the culprit, not flinching or jerking the trigger, my next guess would be that the scope has failed under the pounding and something is rattling or bouncing erratically inside causing the cross hairs to wander. Where I have a problem is off hand. The scope seems to exagerate my wobbles to the point where every shot is an experiment.
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    IMO no , but I find I need to watch myself more

    But over 3X IMO is tougher

    But as for the 2 odd shots
    I have had that happen , when it was ME
    Also something I would also check is the scope
    I had a Leuplod scope that worked perfectly
    Until I mounted it on the Savage 110 with the 458 Win Mag barrel
    Then it would throw a flier after several shots with 500 gr factory ammo
    I called Leupold and they checked the scope and replaced it

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    OK, I know this is pretty far out but...........

    Have you tried marking the charge holes of the flier shots? If so, are they the same ones each time? The reason I ask is perhaps the cylinder throat in those charge holes may be enough different to cause the different impact point. I suppose you could measure them and achieve the same end result, but where's the fun in that? Like I said, pretty far out but a thought, nevertheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roysha View Post
    OK, I know this is pretty far out but...........

    Have you tried marking the charge holes of the flier shots? If so, are they the same ones each time? The reason I ask is perhaps the cylinder throat in those charge holes may be enough different to cause the different impact point. I suppose you could measure them and achieve the same end result, but where's the fun in that? Like I said, pretty far out but a thought, nevertheless.
    That idea crossed my mind. I have to load up some more ammo and will take a look at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnch View Post
    IMO no , but I find I need to watch myself more

    But over 3X IMO is tougher

    But as for the 2 odd shots
    I have had that happen , when it was ME
    Also something I would also check is the scope
    I had a Leuplod scope that worked perfectly
    Until I mounted it on the Savage 110 with the 458 Win Mag barrel
    Then it would throw a flier after several shots with 500 gr factory ammo
    I called Leupold and they checked the scope and replaced it

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    I was getting bad shots with a starting charge of 12 grains of Unique. That was like shooting a 38. The scope really hasn't been battered. It could be a factory defect. But I think it is me. Just not sure why.

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    If I’m reading what you’re saying correctly, it’s perfectly logical for these two loads to hit at completely different POI’s. It’s like that with shooting 38spl loads out of a .357mag revolver and then shooting 357mag loads. The bullet stays in the barrel longer at the lower velocity with the 38spl and hits at a higher point.

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    Scopes on revolvers are no harder to shoot than any other pistol. I would first look at if the scope internals are moving, then mounting issues.
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    I didn't shoot 2 different loads at the same time. I tried each one separately and ended up with the same results. Terrible groups at 20 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    Scopes on revolvers are no harder to shoot than any other pistol. I would first look at if the scope internals are moving, then mounting issues.
    How can I tell if the internals are moving? Just shake it?

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    There are four possibilities.
    1. It is the scope. Put the Ultradot on it and see if that solves the problem.
    2. It is the load/bullet. Weight sort your bullets rigorously. Adjust the load +/- 0.1 grain steps in a ladder test.
    3. It is you. Concentrate on consistency in your shooting. Since you are shooting the .45-70 well, this is less likely.
    4. It is the gun. Have a competent gunsmith assess and then either return the gun or have the gunsmith modify or repair.
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    Shooting heavy recoiling handguns off a rest can be difficult. Depending on how you rest it, and how much downward pressure you put on the gun against the front rest, you can cause all sort of vertical stringing.

    Easiest solution I know of, (from the late gunwriter Dan Johnson) put your wrist on your front rest. Steadies you, but also helps ensure even, consistent pressure on the gip
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