Just the facts: Lube recipes

[JustPractical]

To others who may be in the same boat as me - it was tough for me to quickly find lanolin (I lack patience) so I found a "lanolin ointment" for mothers who were breast feeding. Seemed "close enough/good enough". IT WAS NOT. must have had some water in it or something else besides lanolin. Learn from my mistakes - an amazon order would have had it to me in a few days.

[JosieGun]

Gato Feo #1 has worked extremely well for me and the holy black or white devil dust powders. The recipe is stupid simple and the results work very well for lube sizer, pan, or dip.

Mr. Gato Feo sez ....

PARTS by WEIGHT, melted double boiler style.

1 part mutton tallow (dixie gun works)
1 part canning wax (gulf)
1/2 part beeswax

Yes, canning paraffin is a petroleum product, but it's also pure paraffin. There are no scents, unrelated oils, glitter, etc. such as are found in decorative or scented candles. It's pure, and that' why I specify it.

When I first began using canning paraffin, I too wondered why it didn't create the tarry fouling when used with black powder, as other petroleum products do. Fact is, I posed this question in various message boards years ago. A chemist provided what seems a plausible answer: Canning paraffin lacks the hydrocarbons found in other petroleum products. Apaprently, these hydrocarbons are the offender.

I'm no chemist, and I don't have access to a lab that could test for the presence of hydrocarbons, so I remain uncertain if what he said is true, opinion or S.W.A.G.
All I know is that canning paraffin -- the same translucent stuff that is melted and poured into the open mouths of preserve jars, does not create the hard, tarry fouling I typically find with other petroleum products (automotive grease, transmission fluid, rifle grease, lithium grease, etc.).

The natural greases (animal and vegetable in origin) also dissolve more easily in soapy water during cleaning. Petroleum grease resists dissolving and tends to float around in the water as tiny clumps, often sticking to the steel surfaces of guns and requiring additional cleaning.

Canning paraffin works. I can't explain it. The original 19th century factory recipe called for "paraffin" and that was the only description. There are different types of paraffin, but I chose canning paraffin for its purity and availability. Luckily, it worked just fine and I didn't have to search for a more esoteric paraffin.

Perhaps it lacks the hydrocarbons that are claimed to be the culprit. Perhaps not. But I do know that canning paraffin is the best paraffin I've found and it doesn't create a hard, tarry fouling when used with black powder.

I've made other variations of Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant with substited ingredients, including old candles, and the resulting lubricant is not as good.

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The old recipe I found only listed:
Tallow
Paraffin
Beeswax

No specifics beyond these were given.

The recipe was originally used by factories for bullets that were outside lubricated, as found on heeled bullets. The only heeled bullets loaded by factories today are the .22 Short, Long and Long Rifle, and the .32 Short Colt (occasionally loaded by Winchester).

I used the above recipe and assembled it with mutton tallow, canning paraffin and beeswax because it's what I had on hand when I found the old recipe.

I have a Marlin Model 1892 rifle that uses heeled bullets, which I cast myself. After using the lubricant with .32 Long Colt reloads, I decided to try it with felt wads for my cap and ball revolvers, and patches for my CVA Mountain Rifle in .50 caliber.

Doing so, I was impressed with the old recipe assembled with mutton tallow, canning paraffin and beeswax. I've also used it with black powder loads and lead bullets in my .44-40 and .45-70 rifles, as well as .45 Long Colt revolver.

I used very specific ingredients, but didn't change the ratio of 10/10/5 parts.

I first posted the recipe -- with mutton tallow, canning paraffin and beeswax -- about 1999 or 2000 on many message boards. Shortly after posting it, someone dubbed it "Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant" and the name stuck.

Did the old factory recipe specify liquid or solid paraffin? I don't know. I suspect it was solid, because the lubricant must be sticky and solid, to stick to the bare, smooth lead of an outside-lubricated bullet not protected by the case. Only a very small portion of the bullet is inside the case -- the heel -- the rest of it is exposed to grit and lubricant wear-off while carried in pockets and game bags.

Modern .22 rimfire lubricant that covers the bullet is much harder and tenacious than the old factory recipe I found.
I suspect it's entirely wax of some type, with no grease or beeswax.

From what I've observed -- tiny teats on the point of the lead .22 bullet -- it's applied by dipping the completed cartridge upside down in melted wax up to where the bullet meets the brass case. Dipping in melted lubricant was the old method and is evidently still used today.

I know of liquid paraffin used for lamp fuel, but don't believe I've ever seen it. Perhaps I simply haven't recognized it.

Interestingly, one muzzleloading outfitter's site claims:

WARNING: Paraffin and other petroleum products can cause "Cook offs". It is neither fun nor healthy to have your musket unexpectedly fire while you are loading.

This is the first warning of this type I've seen, and I've been using black powder for nearly 40 years. I don't understand how a "cook-off" can be generated by paraffin. Does he mean it creates longer-lasting embers?

The age-old definition of "cook-off" means that the gun metal becomes so hot that the powder is ignited by this heat. This is a common problem in machine guns, and perhaps semi-autos fired quickly with a great deal of ammo, but in a black powder rifle?

The owner of the site clearly has a great deal of experience in black powder shooting, but i have to doubt this assertion. I've yet to hear of anyone experiencing unexpected ignition by using petroleum products. I and others have learned that most petroleum products, when used with black powder, create a hard, tarry fouling. Of this there is little doubt.

Canning paraffin lacks this characteristic. A chemist wrote me long ago that canning paraffin lacks the hydrocarbons that petroleum greases and oils contain. I don't know about this; I'm not a chemist, petroleum engineer or geologist. However, I DO know that I don't experience the hard, tarry fouling when using canning paraffin.
Whatever it lacks or possesses, it's clearly different from other petroleum products.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

JosieGun,
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the thorough explanation of paraffin.

Just a heads up, Purple font is used for sarcasm on castboolits.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...0-Sarcasm-font

[JosieGun]

JosieGun,
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the thorough explanation of paraffin.

Just a heads up, Purple font is used for sarcasm on castboolits.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...0-Sarcasm-font

Not my explanation. The reason for the colored prose is to distinguish that text is by Mr. Gato Feo, the lube recreator.

Is brown text CB legal?

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Not my explanation. The reason for the colored prose is to distinguish that text is by Mr. Gato Feo, the lube recreator.

Is brown text CB legal?

you can use any color you like, there is no legal or illegal, LOL ...but... we do widely use the purple for sarcasm, I just didn't want anyone reading to think your post was sarcasm, since it's primarily a quote debunking using a specific petroleum product for a BP lube ingredient.

[Castingcoot]

How about Lard or rendered pork fat?????/

[LabGuy]

How about Lard or rendered pork fat?????/

you can use anything you want, let us know how it works for your application. You can also ask the same question 20 times.

[greyhawk]

Back in the day there was parrafin oil --" Adult dosage 1 to 2 tablespoons at bedtime - taken internally Liquid Parrafin acts as a lubricant to soften stools-------" this is pure liquid parrafin 1ml/1ml ...expiry date on the bottle - june 2012

then there is canning parrafin wax -------no idea what the difference is chemically but the oil stays oil down to quite low temperature (single digit celcius at least) and the wax stays solid till 35 - 45 celcius

google sez both are petroleum byproducts made from HYDROCARBON ....so that makes the fouling issue a tad more interesting ??

the difference (liquid vs solid) is due to the different length of the carbon chains

[JosieGun]

If yer troubled over using canning wax (paraffin), just don't use it for making GatoFeo, only mix lamb tallow and beeswax.

FWIW I've made up well over 15lbs of the original GatoFeo #1 lube formula (Gulf canning paraffin wax, DGW lamb tallow, locally refined beeswax) for lubing muzzleloader patches, along with 45-70 and .45 Colt bullets, and never had any "hydrocarbon" fouling issues. YMMV.

[Thundermaker]

How about Lard or rendered pork fat?????/

Works good for me as ML and revolver lube. It's historical also.

[indian joe]

If yer troubled over using canning wax (paraffin), just don't use it for making GatoFeo, only mix lamb tallow and beeswax.

FWIW I've made up well over 15lbs of the original GatoFeo #1 lube formula (Gulf canning paraffin wax, DGW lamb tallow, locally refined beeswax) for lubing muzzleloader patches, along with 45-70 and .45 Colt bullets, and never had any "hydrocarbon" fouling issues. YMMV.

Not troubled at all
been using beeswax and neatsfoot oil mix for ages but the last lot of neatsfoot I got was not the real deal . so .................
I have found nothing comes even close to cutting oil and water (1 + 4) for patch lube on the range, it beats any kind of thicker / greasy lube hands down (I dont hunt with a ML anymore - you would want a grease lube for that )