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Thread: 200 grain boolit load in 38 S&W for Webley & Scott

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    I have used BE86 for 200 grain Lee and 190 NOE cast bullets with good results. BE 86 is available too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    I just received back from John Taylor the .38 S&W barrel fitted to my pre-war H&R .44/.410 shotgun frame. Barrel is 20" long, and 0.70" diameter at the muzzle. Overall length of gun is 34-1/2" and it weighs 4-1/2 pounds. Barrel is a Green Mountain 9mm Parabellum blank in 1:10" twist, because I wanted to stabilize the 36-190T bullet at the lowest velocity which would reliably exit the barrel. Chamber reamer which John now has is a custom from Dave Manson which has a .363 major diameter to the forcing cone and 3 degrees, Basic throat with no cylindrical ball seat.

    Photo of breech seated 36-190T bullet shows engraving on forepart of bullet as breech is closed.

    When seated and crimped in the crimp groove nose will still be engraved, but not as forcefully.

    The .38 S&W cartridge is an ideal choice for use in old blackpowder actions as the factory rounds don't exceed 14,000 psi, and unlike .38 Special, there are no +Ps to worry about accidentally getting into the rifle. I haven't had a chance to shoot this yet, as it just arrived today, but I will be testing a variety of factory .38 S&W loads in this rifle, as well as my S&W Victory Model with 5" barrel and S&W Model 32-1 with 2" barrel. I will also work up handloads in the Ruger India Model with 4" barrel and try those in the rifle when the weather gets warmer.

    Objective is NOT to see how much velocity I can get, but to see how low and slow I can get with the 190-grain bullet for minimum noise. My reasoning is that an ordinary revolver load which gets 600 fps. should exit the rifle barrel, but with the tiny powder charge and 20 inch barrel, velocity gain should be modest and muzzle exit pressure very low. I don't expect rifle velocities with standard-pressure 190-grain loads to exceed 750 fps. A mild "Lettuce Defender" which won't disturb the neighbors.

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    I’d like to hear more about this endeavor please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grog View Post
    I have used BE86 for 200 grain Lee and 190 NOE cast bullets with good results. BE 86 is available too!


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    I did find it at MidwayUSA...for $67 a pound. Ouch. I do appreciate the reply, thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armoredman View Post
    And what is currently missing on every store shelf...Trailboss, Unique, Bullseye, etc. I can get AA#5 which is the only thing I have found with any data I could use - the local store has a spot on the shelf for Titegroup, just never anything IN it.
    This is not a top break, but a solid frame Victory Model.
    But I do thank you for your time and I will see what I can come up with.
    I still have 4.5 jugs trailboss.. its too usefull yo be without. tightgroup is my most used powder..have 12 5# of it.

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