357 spl/ mag loads 140/200 grns loads

[barrabruce]

Just wet behind the ears still concerning blackpowder
I can shove a 1.3 cc Lee dipper of 3f Wano in a 38 or 357 case and seat a 200 grn slug
Or a 140 ish hollow base cast bullet and chamber in my rifle.
Using small rifle primers.

My concern is I haven’t found any load data.
160’s with less powder from the wano site is about it.

So; will pressure be about 1500 kpsi for all black loads?
Any idea or how much room I got for troubles.

All I hear is you can’t shove enough blackpowder in to worry.
Might be only for round balls thou.

Can you point me in the right direction of threads.
Tutorials. Etc.
This is in an older modern rifle. But would like to keep the pressures down to 38 spl target loads.
22lr std velocity area would be fine but be happy with what I can get

I also have some 2ff black to try out one day too.

I don’t want to have pucker twitch every time I squeeze the trigger or hurt the poor old girl either.

I guess it should be all just fine and dandy, but rather be able to clarify this in my mind as to what’s what

Thanks
Bruce

[greyhawk]

Just wet behind the ears still concerning blackpowder
I can shove a 1.3 cc Lee dipper of 3f Wano in a 38 or 357 case and seat a 200 grn slug
Or a 140 ish hollow base cast bullet and chamber in my rifle.
Using small rifle primers.

My concern is I haven’t found any load data.
160’s with less powder from the wano site is about it.

So; will pressure be about 1500 kpsi for all black loads?
Any idea or how much room I got for troubles.

All I hear is you can’t shove enough blackpowder in to worry.
Might be only for round balls thou.

Can you point me in the right direction of threads.
Tutorials. Etc.
This is in an older modern rifle. But would like to keep the pressures down to 38 spl target loads.
22lr std velocity area would be fine but be happy with what I can get

I also have some 2ff black to try out one day too.

I don’t want to have pucker twitch every time I squeeze the trigger or hurt the poor old girl either.

I guess it should be all just fine and dandy, but rather be able to clarify this in my mind as to what’s what

Thanks
Bruce

the 357 mag makes a nice little blackpowder round - you cant get enough proper blackpowder in there to do any harm - I consulted the scratches on my wall and it says 23 grains of FFFg under a 158 grain LEE boolit - you would have about 1/8" compression of the powder. and with Wano you proly clocking about 1050 FPS

the major concern will be lube - cant use a normal smokeless lube (well ya can but it will end with hard caked fouling in the barrel) 50/50 beeswax and neatsfoot oil works, or olive oil, or tallow (reduce the beeswax till you get a mix that is firm but soft) needs a boolit that carries a decent amount of grease to keep fouling soft (is why I like the LEE 158 - it shoots good and hauls enough lube to keep things running for a while)

If you have accuracy problems due to fouling you might try a duplex load - but that a story for another day .....................or offline

[barrabruce]

Got my lube sorted I think.
I started off with about 50/50 bees wax/ virgin olive oil.
Thought it was a bit hard to finger lube with so added some vasalene.
Thought it was a bit tacky so added more olive oil.
Now it’s slippery’er than a butcher’s dick.(company name of a knife steel)

Nice and soft finger lube for bullets,
I’ve been using it to finger lube bullets and size brass.
My dry and cracked hands have become soft.
Haven’t tested my new soft and swanky skin regime for anything but a few light bullseye loads.
The burning dirt residue is black and soft and smeary, takes 4 patches with Ed’s red to get it out of the barrel.
Maybe it’s the oil burning as it would clean up quicker with 50/50 bw/vas with some atf.
Accuracy has not been tested.

I found a thread on 38 spl loads with black.
I’ll look for some more.
I didn’t put a wad under the hollow base 135 grn bullet but did on the pb 200.
Should have plenty of lube on the bullets.

I may put some out in the sun on a some kitchen toilet paper to see if it all just oozes away .
Thanks
Bruce

[greyhawk]

Got my lube sorted I think.
I started off with about 50/50 bees wax/ virgin olive oil.
Thought it was a bit hard to finger lube with so added some vasalene.
Thought it was a bit tacky so added more olive oil.
Now it’s slippery’er than a butcher’s dick.(company name of a knife steel)

Nice and soft finger lube for bullets,
I’ve been using it to finger lube bullets and size brass.
My dry and cracked hands have become soft.
Haven’t tested my new soft and swanky skin regime for anything but a few light bullseye loads.
The burning dirt residue is black and soft and smeary, takes 4 patches with Ed’s red to get it out of the barrel.
Maybe it’s the oil burning as it would clean up quicker with 50/50 bw/vas with some atf.
Accuracy has not been tested.

I found a thread on 38 spl loads with black.
I’ll look for some more.
I didn’t put a wad under the hollow base 135 grn bullet but did on the pb 200.
Should have plenty of lube on the bullets.

I may put some out in the sun on a some kitchen toilet paper to see if it all just oozes away .
Thanks
Bruce

sounds like this not your first rodeo !

to clean things up we using one grain red dot under 16 gr FFFFg in a 32/20 - original 92 action - no issues (reloading these cases without resizing) - same load proly work in a 38sp - might do 1.5 grain in the 357
there more suitable powders for this (Duplexing) but got a large container of Red dot sitting there and I am careful .........................

disclaimer - this what I am doing NOT a recommendation to follow suit.