Seen tonight that over 80000 M1 Garands rifles are coming back from Philippines lend lease. What shape and condition I havent heard. Supposedly several variations and models
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Willy Snyder
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Seen tonight that over 80000 M1 Garands rifles are coming back from Philippines lend lease. What shape and condition I havent heard. Supposedly several variations and models
Who is the recipient? If it is CMP, be aware they may Jack UP the prices like they did on "Beat" M1911A1 pistols at $1,100 per pop! All the old .45s were taxpayer paid for at $55.00 per each in WWII, but CMP charged $1,100 with NO cost justification beyond GREED!
Adam
CMP was a total screw up by the government when the sale of surplus US military weapons went them. Their interest is for the almighty dollar and a handful of well heeled match shooters. Greed is the correct word Adam. james
The M1 sales and leg matches under the DCM was great. The issue was Clinton/Gore eliminated the DCM as part of the Army. The CMP funding comes from the sale of firearms. If I remember correctly Clinton/Gore didn't allow that but was overruled by Congress. Compared to the DCM the CMP is a joke. That being said, blame goes to the Dems. While I don't like the CMP they are just trying to keep the doors open.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CMP
https://thecmp.org/wp-content/upload...of-the-CMP.pdf
For those unfamiliar with the DCM you could shoot leg matches for $2 and they provided the ammo. You were limited to 4 matches per year for that discipline. To purchase a M1 you had to have competed in either 2 or 4 matches. My M1 was $89. Dad's was later and was $125 or $129. They would be delivered through the USPS to your door.
Last edited by M-Tecs; 09-02-2025 at 02:41 PM.
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80,000 Garands came back from the Philippines in 2020. I do not see any info on new returns in the CMP message boards.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-19-555rOriginally Posted by Adam Helmer
Since 1996, the Army has transferred more than 700,000 surplus rifles and handguns to CMP. CMP is authorized to sell certain types of surplus Army firearms to U.S. citizens, including M1 .30 caliber rifles and more recently M1911 .45 caliber handguns. CMP is a federally chartered, nonprofit corporation that, among other things, instructs U.S. citizens in marksmanship; promotes practice and safety in the use of firearms; and sells surplus Army firearms, ammunition, repair parts, and other supplies.
Do I like the prices? No, but like most things if I don't like the prices I don't purchase. The real question is how does the CPM keep the doors open under the current Congressional requirements?
Last edited by M-Tecs; 09-02-2025 at 02:46 PM.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
Delkal has the real scoop. There were approximately 86,000 M1s returned by the Philippines beginning in 2017 through 2020. They had been poorly stored and required fumigating for termites and asbestos remediation.
It has been completed. There are no new M1 Garands coming from the Philippines. One and Done.
The CMP has contracted to manufacture new M1 receivers as there is no expectancy of any more Lend/Lease returns out there.
The Notice that was made by CMP in 2017.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program Is About To Receive Thousands Of Surplus M1 Garands
Matthew Moss
Published Apr 13, 2017 11:45 AM EDT
https://taskandpurpose.com/tech-tact...s-philippines/
Last edited by K43; 09-02-2025 at 05:07 PM.
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I got into the DCM late; I had to pay a whopping $210 for my Garand.
And what do you think should have been done with them? Captain Crunch? CMP is a fine organization doing exactly what was needed with all these surplus rifles. Buying one from the CMP is far less expensive than on the open market. "Well heeled match shooters"???? Funny. If you can't afford to play the game let the rest of us play.
While most may not have the money, like me, I paid 250.00 for my M-1 in about mint condition and long ago for sure. The prices today are unfair as Americans paid to build them then we get hosed to buy them back again. Sorry Jonnyho but I have to disagree with you; had private enterprise got those 80,000 rifle they would want a quick turnaround in their money meaning lower prices where the New DCM will set on them until getting their price. Can't see them being in good condition either unless, DCM rebuilds them meaning new stocks, barrels etc..If the receivers are good condition, then rebuilt guns would be more worth their asking price.
I did not say anything about stopping anyone from shooting, I have been shooting since about 1947 as a tadpole. The idea behind the civilian marksmanship programs, both DCM and CMP, was supposedly promoting civilian not necessarily match shooting although it was thought to be a good program to do that. The first M1 Garand I bought was back in the early 60's and it came from the Army Arsenal at Redstone thru DCM through the NRA and it came with a handwritten note from a US Army Sargeant telling me the rifle, a HRA in new condition, had been in the arsenal for years and was never issued. He was from my home state of Tennessee and said he had been waiting on an order from a state resident because he wanted a Tennessean to get it. I sent the rifle to an expert on Garands(who had written books on the development and history of M1's) and he wrote me a note back with the rifle telling me that the rifle was indeed inspect of a brand rifle on all the gauges for new rifles which he had. He was a Garand gunsmith who specialized in reworking Garands. Long story short, I paid $92.50 for the rifle and that included shipping. My daughter has the rifle and hopefully kept the documentation with the rifle. She has had it for several years. She has never shot it and never will and I knew that when I gave it to her. james
Again this issue was created by Clinton/Gore in an attempt kill the DCM. Congress was able to get suplus arms given to the newly created CMP so it could continue to operate. Yes, the CMP could have sold them all for cheap but once they were gone they would have no funding stream to keep operating. What could the CMP do differently under the lack of goverment funding and the current congressional requirements for the CMP and still keep the doors open?
The CMP is a nonprofit corporation. The monies from the sales goes to support daily operations and competitive programs.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
I bought one from a K-Mart in Florida late eighties. I was told it was coming from the Philippines too. Only a hundred bucks. Carbines were cheaper. It wasn’t mint, but in good shooting condition.
Well then what you would have gotten was mostly junk. Many of these rifles were trash the way they were stored. CMP did go through every rifle they sold or are selling and made them right for the grade they are sold at. CMP has become one of the top shooting organizations with a first class range with electronic targets. Not cheap. That's were some money has gone. At some time they will run out of the surplus rifles. The money they have accumulated from the sales will then have to support them. Not sure at all that you have any idea of them. Go find an M1 in good condition for less then the cost of one from the CMP. Good luck.
In the late '80s it was more likely a Korean surplus.
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Most of the ones I saw were imported by Blue Sky and were stamped deeply on the barrel. K-Mart and Woolworths and others had them by the hundreds. They were cheap but in thoses day I was broke. I wished I picked up M1 Garands and some carbines. The local Woolworths had close to a 1,000. They had some other bolt action imports also I don't remember what they were.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
Yep Sir. The Blue Sky imports were Korean. The company was near here in Arlington, VA. They got into trouble for doing some skirting of import regs and closed.
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You’re right. The Philippines didn’t seem right to me, when I posted, but I couldn’t think of South Korea. I thought you were only supposed to loose your short term memory with age.
I do not know what CMP "Overhead Costs" are, so I do not know why citizens buying PAID FOR Government Surplus arms are asked to Pay $1,100.00 for Beat M1911A1 pistols and high prices for Garand rifles long-ago taxpayer paid for? I did government audits for 8 years and I think the CMP needs a look at. What do they pay staff and what do their profits NEED to pay for? As for competitive shoot costs, let the competitors pay as I always did in my past rifle, pistol and shotgun days.
In 1984 I got a Mint Garand for $118.00 mailed to my home with sling and goodies bag of combo tool, oiler, etc. U.S. Taxpayers paid for that rifle long ago and I paid a fair price. Sadly, those days are long ago and gone.
Adam
https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/341839195 Here are some 990 Federal filing reports. Note the pay for the the Chairmand/CEO for the latest I could find, 2023. What a job.
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