Thompson blue angle and lyman ideal black

[Soundguy]

I've read about these..but cannot find what is in them. I have a few sticks..plus some rcbs 50/50 which appear to be alox/beeswax..and some rcbs handgun lube that appears to be parafin/beeswax.
any help on the blue angle and lyman black would be appreciated.

[gwpercle]

You can find the old black Lyman bullet lube by searching ...

Lyman Ideal Lube #2857275 ... Do Not use the word Black in the description as L:yman makes a Black Powder Bullet Lube and that is what you keep getting ...

Lyman Ideal Bullet Lube #2857275 is the old lube that is black in color ...
I remember the term ... Colloidal Graphite being used in Lyman's description .
Not a bad Handgun lube , I used it for years untill discovering Lithium - Beeswax lube ... better than Lyman Ideal and 50/50 alox-beeswax .

1 part Lithium grease + 3 parts Beeswax = Lithi-Bee Bullet Lube .
Gary

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

This thread about Lyman/Ideal Bullet lube is interesting.

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...ack-Ideal-Lube

[Soundguy]

good read.. thanks. i think the old stick is had may have been the old black spoke of..ill see if i still have the old wrapper to see if it mentions molly or not..
yesterday I was repeating a bunch of used Ben's red lube cakes from pan lubing..and i tossed that stick of ideal in..plus the stick of blue angle and a stick of rcbs 50/50 alix beeswax to fortify the mix. that vens red has been my staples pan lube for at least a decade now..and I've never had any real problems with it except in 1 caliber..and I pretty much feel it's not a lube failure..but rather just a cartridge that is less compatible with lead bullets.. 30 super carry.. such high pressure ..and fps needed to reliably cycle a semi auto..I made it work..I had a load that was low middle..and worked it up just enough to cycle my shield reliably..though just barely..and no leading..however..it was a severely handicapped load I felt..ie..it was nowhere near ideal power for that cartridge. I worked another load into upper middle that I felt comfortable with power wise..but did start noticing leading..so abandoned it.
I prefer all my lead bullet loads to be absolutely clean with no leading.. so for range plinking I will still shoot my low middle load that doesn't lead..but for real loads I caved in and went to berry's plated for medium us loads..and hornady jacketed hp for full bore max loads.
that's one thing I like about 327fed and 32hr mag..revolver loads.. don't have to run an action..downloading is easy.. for tests I've made 32hr mag loads that were equal to 32 long.. fun to shoot too...oh well..I digress.

I presume my modified batch of bens red will be no worse for wear, and in fact should be slightly improved. the rcbs 50/50 is a rifle lube..the ideal is likely a handgun pressure lube..and i still can't find much on the blue angle except that it is listed as a most often used lube by commercial bullet makers. and did feel pretty hard compared to rcbs and ideal.. id bet it has some caranauba in it..it also appeared to be ok for rifle applications..so. again..I think my mixed pan lube batch is still fine or slightly improved. it has now taken on a more tan/red color vs light red.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

good read.. thanks. i think the old stick is had may have been the old black spoke of..ill see if i still have the old wrapper to see if it mentions molly or not..
yesterday I was repeating a bunch of used Ben's red lube cakes from pan lubing..and i tossed that stick of ideal in..plus the stick of blue angle and a stick of rcbs 50/50 alix beeswax to fortify the mix. that vens red has been my staples pan lube for at least a decade now..and I've never had any real problems with it except in 1 caliber..and I pretty much feel it's not a lube failure..but rather just a cartridge that is less compatible with lead bullets.. 30 super carry.. such high pressure ..and fps needed to reliably cycle a semi auto..I made it work..I had a load that was low middle..and worked it up just enough to cycle my shield reliably..though just barely..and no leading..however..it was a severely handicapped load I felt..ie..it was nowhere near ideal power for that cartridge. I worked another load into upper middle that I felt comfortable with power wise..but did start noticing leading..so abandoned it.
I prefer all my lead bullet loads to be absolutely clean with no leading.. so for range plinking I will still shoot my low middle load that doesn't lead..but for real loads I caved in and went to berry's plated for medium us loads..and hornady jacketed hp for full bore max loads.
that's one thing I like about 327fed and 32hr mag..revolver loads.. don't have to run an action..downloading is easy.. for tests I've made 32hr mag loads that were equal to 32 long.. fun to shoot too...oh well..I digress.

I presume my modified batch of bens red will be no worse for wear, and in fact should be slightly improved. the rcbs 50/50 is a rifle lube..the ideal is likely a handgun pressure lube..and i still can't find much on the blue angle except that it is listed as a most often used lube by commercial bullet makers. and did feel pretty hard compared to rcbs and ideal.. id bet it has some caranauba in it..it also appeared to be ok for rifle applications..so. again..I think my mixed pan lube batch is still fine or slightly improved. it has now taken on a more tan/red color vs light red.

I believe Ben's Red alone would work fine in your 30 super carry...so your Mod'd Ben's Red should be fine also. Not knowing what Pressure you are trying to get to? but maybe you need a harder alloy, or some heat treat. I use 94-3-3 (BHN 14) for Magnum pistol loads...but if you have some commercial Hardball alloy 92-6-2 (BHN 16), that'd probably be better.

[Soundguy]

I've ran as hard as 50/50 lino and ww or 50/50 lino and range scrap.. its just not a super friendly cast bullet cartridge other than mid range and lower loads..just too high of pressure imho. I tend to not like handicapped a load..and for a gun like a shield..a lead 30 super carry is handicapped it..vs what it can do with a jacketed round.
I only load a few jacketed rounds anymore..and that is one of them.. my supply of jacketed bullets on the shelf is slowly dwindling over the years..while my peanut jugs of cast are growing...I'm happy with that...

[Divil]

I have a few sticks of recently made Thompson Blue Angel. When the original Thompson concern was bought out by the new outfit in Washington state, the ingredients changed somewhat from the original Thompson Blue. The newly made stuff gives off a somewhat pleasant faint honey comb smell. So does the Red Angel.

[Eddie Southgate]

I looked at the Thompsons website and they list case lots at just over $100.00 but it says Not For Sale .

[Divil]

Something seems amiss on that website.

[Eddie Southgate]

I have a few sticks of recently made Thompson Blue Angel. When the original Thompson concern was bought out by the new outfit in Washington state, the ingredients changed somewhat from the original Thompson Blue. The newly made stuff gives off a somewhat pleasant faint honey comb smell. So does the Red Angel.

How does the new formula compare to the old , smell aside ? Where did you purchase it ? Link ?

[Divil]

I have never seen the old in person, so the only exposure to the old Thompson I had have are were some commercial cast boolits. The difference between new and old to me, if memory serves is the new uses beeswax or something giving it a vague honey note in tube form. The red seems to have that note in a more pronounced way than the blue. In tube form both smell kind of pleasant, the red being a bit more so.

In performance, the red worked great in 9x19, when I used a soft cast lyman 130 grain boolits in a Ruger Carbine as well as a Glock 17 with aftermarket barrel. Also the red worked great in .45 acp 230 grain RCBS boolits. I will try the red in some .357 Magnum later this year.

The Blue worked great in 130 grain cast .38 Special loads. When I put the same boolit in magnum brass it leaded. Maybe my alloy was not up to the job or maybe the lube did not like magnum speeds or pressures but the load was not that hot.