Powder Valley removed primer selections from their web site

[jdgabbard]

Wayne, I sent you a PM, to continue this conversation as it would go a little off topic.

[Down South]

I’m for sure that hording or panic buying or whatever you want to call it is the problem. I stocked up last summer on what powders and primers that I thought that I would need just in case the election went like it did. I figured that this would happen and it did. I was hoping that things would settle down by years end but I think it may be longer now. I do wish that I had bought a few K of LP. I have plenty SP, SPM, LPM, LR & LRM. I don’t really consider myself as hording due to the fact that I will use everything that I have. Actually I will have to cut back on my plinking and start conserving more of what I have till things lighten up.
It was disappointing to see some of the major retailers stop taking back orders because they are so swamped.

[rhead]

Yeah they are fought over power. power over rescources.

I wouldn't hold my breath over someone starting a new primer manufactoring plant. Nobody has been able to start a new refinery in over 25 years because of the enviromential impact red tape. Does anyone think that the liberal federal judges will think that more cheap ammo for the peasants is a really good idea?

[Heavy lead]

Yeah they are fought over power. power over rescources.

I wouldn't hold my breath over someone starting a new primer manufactoring plant. Nobody has been able to start a new refinery in over 25 years because of the enviromential impact red tape. Does anyone think that the liberal federal judges will think that more cheap ammo for the peasants is a really good idea?

Oh so true, the emperor (not just the annointed one, but ALL the feds) are running this country into the economic dirt lead by the "Green" movement.
If we had to warp back in time, it would take us 30 years to get a fricken Liberty ship out. Hitler would have run us over.

[shdwlkr]

I have a friend that doesn't reload yet that has maybe 5000 primers so does that make him a hoarder because I haven't gotten there yet to teach him? The folks I am mad at are the ones who have purchased 30, 40 50 thousand primers and don't know what it is they even bought.
I have been waiting for some primers to come in so I can buy some so does that make me a potential hoarder because I will most likely buy 5000 primers that will last me a year or two? I just might double my order if the price is really good so I will have 10,000 primers man I am hoarding big time and I am sure I can sell them for maybe what I paid or less as I chose who I sell to and don't sell to. Have even traded with my local shop when I had more then I could use of one kind of primer and made a killing on the trade I got two hundred more primers then I traded. Man I am making it big time now I can reload two hundred more cartridges with my trade.
If you are a greedy SOB and thought this would be a good get rich scheme then I hope the whole thing caves in on you.
I sure hope things settle down this summer but I am not holding my breath on that one and hope I have enough to keep enjoying my sport until things settle down to more normal level and prices aren't through the moon for anything which doesn't seem like we are going to see a break in prices with the New Messiah looking to raise the federal tax on firearms and related items 500%.
It is time to wait, hope and pray that things are not as bad as we thing they maybe.

[Heavy lead]

This primer envy is out of hand, holy cow. People are either bragging about what they have or mad cause they don't have what the next guy does. Judas Priest guys.

[jameslovesjammie]

I don't care if a guy has 50,000 primers, as long as he uses them. What I don't appreciate is the people who keep saying that anyone who DOESN'T have that many is unprepared, or didn't have the foresight to stockpile their inventory.

Sorry guys, but some of us just don't have that kind of disposable income. In November, I (like all of us) knew how it was going to come out. But with a three year old and Christmas coming up...I think my money was best spent elsewhere. I'm not complaining...just not shooting as much...and will probably halt all together before Summer's end, just to conserve what I have left. Hunting season is another matter, and I'll start again in early October.

On another thread ON THIS BOARD, a disabled vet was taking about being in the same boat...he just can't drop $100 on a dime to buy primers. Does that make him unprepared, or a noob? No.

I went through this last summer too. Federal primers (my primer of choice) were nowhere to be found. Don't know if it was a regional thing, but they did come back on the shelves. Why didn't I have the foresight to buy 10,000 small pistol primers then? I did. I just can't drop $200 anytime I want. And I don't believe in credit cards.

Sorry to go off tangent, I'm just sick and tired of being called an idiot because I only have 6,000 total primers.

Rant off. Sorry for the tangent.

[JesterGrin_1]

I am sure I posted this but when I spoke with Powder Valley a few days ago and asked about primers they informed me that they have no date from any company as to when they will get more except WOLF told them June lol.

And Jameslovesjamie I can not see how I typed that lol. But at any rate do not feel too bad. I only have about 5000 primers as well. I did see this on the way but I just do not shoot that much so I got 1 brick of each type of round I shoot and one extra brick for my .44 mag as I tend to shoot that the most. Most of all my shooting is just trying out loads and BOOLITS and hunting. So I do not load many so called plinker rounds.

But if you need powder I know that A Place To Shoot in San Antonio Texas has a good supply at this time. But no primers except shot gun.

[skeet028]

Just went on a jaunt back east and went to one of my wholesale places.While I was there he got 2 pallets of Fed .223 Mil Spec ammo in. Got a case or two. Before I left the 2 pallets were all gone...to back orders mostly. That was 80 cases of 1000 rounds per pallet. Powder in 1 lb cans was almost nonexistent. 8's were ok. The stuff IS being shipped from the factories. Actually got 95M(of 150M ordered) primers LP SP LR SR. When I started to sell them for a NORMAL price one guy wanted to buy them all. He got really fired up when I would only sell him 2M. When he got cussing at me he got none. And told him to leave. He got exactly what he asked for. Sold all those primers in one day..except for the ones I kept for myself(4000) and a friend or 2. I still have a few LRM Win And Fed 215s I got from a person that was on this site. Those are the ones I'll use. Have to work up a load again but I tend to use ball powders anyway and they work better with mag primers quite often. Peronally I think we have a primer and powder problem just because of fear. Fear of the gummit and Nobama. When this shortage happened the last time the manufacturers ramped up and made stuff big time. The wholesalers and the factories got stuck with beaucoup amounts of reloading items. They ain't gonna do it again. If we just hold our breath I think we'll be ok...at least I hope so. The only way to stop people from hoarding is to restrict the amount of primers (or powder) they can purchase. All the gun shops near me in Wy and Mt are doing just that.

[rhead]

The only way to stop people from hoarding is to restrict the amount of primers (or powder) they can purchase. All the gun shops near me in Wy and Mt are doing just that.

Historically rationing has only caused hoarding or made the situation worse. What is different about this time?

[Lloyd Smale]

Rationing my stop the horders but it sure hurts a guy like me that shoots alot. I can go through a easy 1000 rounds a week and sometimes double that. Two bricks of primers doesnt go far for me.

[shdwlkr]

I will just be glad to go in and be able to buy primers again and hope that I can buy a brick at a time. I would rather get all my primers for a year or two at once but don't know if that will happen. My local shop is going nuts with folks getting bent over powder, primers, brass and bullets being not there.
I almost bought a 86 lever but needed them to hold it for a week for me and was told they don't do that anymore so I told them to keep it and it still sits in the rack. Folks don't want them now as it is all black guns or nothing. Personally I don't like the black guns and would most likely never buy one unless it was buy one get one free kind of deal then I might break down and put my money down for one but other wise I have much better rounds in much more useful for me firearms.
I don't see the world coming apart at the seems yet but when and if it does anything will be better then nothing. I see more disasters in the form of natural weather type events then man made ones. Having said that I do see the current makeup of Washington against every freedom loving citizen in this country maybe for ever from this point forward. There is one that is in Washington that feels it is time for America to have a new King and Messiah which he things he is but the fabric is wearing thin and when it rips I wonder what will be left of this nation.

[Recluse]

Shdwlkr, I hear you 5x5.

Nope, someone who doesn't reload yet who has 5K in primers isn't a hoarder. Someone who has 50K and zero intentions of reloading IS a hoarder and IS part of the problem.

Agree with you about gun shops and black guns and holding guns. There's a new kid at my favorite gun shop and shooting range and he tried showing me some whiz-bang black gun AR something or the other. Told him--politely--that I'd had enough of those things when I was HIS age and wearing a uniform and could care less if I EVER handled one again.

Give me a lever-action 30-30 over an AR 15 any day. ANY DAY. The AR has it's place, sort of, and I've got a few military guns in the safe and if I ever have occasion to have to think about using them for what they were designed and built for. But as a former lawman, I've also seen what a 30-30 slug will do to a human being, and it's far worse than what a .223 will do.

I like wooden guns, not plastic ones. Maybe that's just me. I still prefer six-shooters to (most) semi-autos. I prefer pump shotguns to semi-autos, and I love nothing more than racking the bolt on a good rifle like a Winchester or Remington or Savage or Weatherby or name your favorite brand of long gun.

I'm a purist, I reckon.

And finally, Jameslovesjammie? Well said, my northern friend, very well said. I can't add a single thing to what you wrote.

[sheepdog]

I heard an interesting thing at a gunshow the other day. Talking about if the SHTF a bunch of guys at a table mentioned "We'll outnumber them by the second day". I wondered who "them" was and how long many days takes before one of "us" becomes one of "them".

The problem isn't the horders, the non-horders, the local shops or the online resellers. See we'll all just slightly different samples of roughly the same beliefs, interests, politics, etc. Sure theirs some differences but for the most part I'd rather be in a foxhole with the lot of you then a pie slice of the humanity at a PETA rally.

So the problem isn't "us", the problem is the government intervention and meddling in something that's was none of their business but to which they butt themselves into just the same. If you're looking for a "them" to blame don't look to your fellow 2nd amendment loving, patriotic slat of the earth neighbors but the federal "do what I say not what I do" bleeding hearts in Washington. Stand up and demand your rights. Maybe take the ******** to court so they can rule that the 2nd clearly covers ammo too (sure our founding fathers didn't intend us to use flintlocks as just clubs). Maybe just election someone thats not a closet socialist. Thats the thing about a bully, if you never stand up to them they never have a reason to consider backing down.

If you want 20k primers and you're not trying to horde them specifically to screw the rest of the community over then by golly I'm fine with that. Better with you friend then in some BATF warehouse.

[shdwlkr]

Recluse
I had 70 of those black things to keep working and one of my own for seven years long enough for me to have a good idea of what a piece of crap they are. Having said that if you put a 70 grain bullet in a 1 in 6 3/4 twist barrel the whole thing changes very much. Yea I did some sort of research, testing, proving with them decades ago another reason to hate them.
I have seen holes made by the 55, 62 grain now in style bullets and they don't even come close to a 30 caliber, or 45 caliber, or 270 caliber or 50 caliber when you want to stop the baddies. I want to get a m1 carbine and an M1 garand and a m14 civilian flavor more for competition then anything else as they are more fun that way.
As to folks who don't reload having thousands of primers they will never use I can't understand the reason for it but if they think it is a good idea then I guess have at it because I won't buy them from you because if you don't reload how do I know that you didn't keep them in a bucket of water or oil and just dry them off to sell to me.

[jdgabbard]

On this whole issue, I've just about stop buying stuff. I've got a couple of pounds of powder to pick up, and a 1k Small Pistol Mag Primers and I'll be set for some time. I've cut out my recreational shooting, and no reserve those primers and loaded ammo for actually training and of course my hunting loads, ect.

The only way I can see the problem going away, is if people quit buying primers. Lloyd made the comment above that he can go through a 1000 a week. I'm in no position to be telling anybody what they need to be doing. But unless your a competitor, I think the days of shooting that much are going to have to be put on halt. We need to conserve what we have. And once the guys that buy every primer they see out there realize that there easier to get, (and nobody wants to buy the primer from them for a $100) then they'll stop buying that many. At which point everything will become easier for everyone to get their hands on.

But what do I know.

[bbs70]

Went to the gun show yesterday looking for primers.
One seller had 3k lp primers, the guy ahead of me got 2k of them, I was able to get the other 1k.
No one else had any lp primers.
The other day I got my boolit mold and Lone Wolf barrel for my Glock and needed sp primers for it.
Of course no one had any at the show.
Well, I shouldn't say that there was one guy who had CCI sp primers, for $55 a thousand.
Guess he still has them, I don't want them that bad.

I'm like everyone else, I have cut back on my shooting till everything settles down, that is if ever does.

I guess I could always go to the range, point my gun at the target and go BANG.
Then run down to the target and punch holes in it with a paper punch.
Heck, my shooting accuracy might even improve this way.

[shdwlkr]

you can go on gunbroker and buy from this guy
5000 CCI Small Rifle Primers Get em while you Can
Auction # 127418343
Please if you are the buyer or seller to see more helpful information.
Bid!

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Current Bid $400.00 No Reserve! Started at $400.00

buy it now for $600.00

Quantity 1

[0802]

I answered an ad from a guy who said he had Win LPs for sale. So I sez how much for how many? $6/100 or a volume discount of $60/1000. Of course, no tax or shipping/hazmat as it is a FTF.

I told him I wasn't interested at that price. I am fully prepared to wait six months or more to pay half of that for 1000. That may never happen, but I'll be really reluctant to pay more than that if it doesn't.

[TRguy]

Not to get too local here but Little Hardware in Charlotte NC will put you on the call list as they come in.

I bought 1000 SR Federal lastweek for $31.60 per 1000