Hi-point 4095 ??

[ascast]

just wondering what you folks think about this carbine. Normally I would not look twice at this type of gun, but.. one is available in 40 S&W, affordable. And I have about 1,000 bullets on hand and no other use for them. Would it kill a deer at 50 yards? Are they worth $300 ? Do they work? feed issues? blah blah blah
no holds barred
thanks in advance

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I had one, it was fun to shoot, fed any and all different cast boolits, as accurate as the crude sights allow. I don't know about Deer at 50 yds? That might be unwise if 'chance' of boolit placement is poor. When I bought mine it came with a bunch of mags. Once the novelty wore off, I sold it. I keep all the extra mags and when I came across a Hi Point pistol in 40 for a good deal, I bought one of those and still have it. Hi Point's action works well with that caliber. I just prefer shooting pistol bullets in a pistol.

edit: I should add that I had a 1st Gen carbine. I have no idea if the next Gen was better or worse?

[cwtebay]

I have one in 9mm. Works just fine every time.
As far as deer cartridge selection, you can approximate 38-40 ballistics with the 40 S&W which is certainly adequate for deer.

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[Silvercreek Farmer]

Tried a 9mm. Never bonded. Certainly accurate enough, maybe 3-4 moa at 100 yards and reliable. Trigger was horrible, didn’t really seem to fit me, and I didn’t care for the blowback recoil. I wouldn’t hesitate to use a 40 carbine on a deer at 50 yards.

Are your 1000 bullets loaded ammo? Or just projectiles? Cast or jacketed?

[dverna]

I have two in 9mm. Testing of one has left me cold. Mine is a ***. 2.5 -3" groups at 25 yards with any ammunition I tried using a scope off a bench.

OK for home defense. It will likely end up sitting in the barn, garage or tractor for emergencies. A gun that I don't care about.

[Jack Russel]

I have a 4595 and it's a great gun. Also have the JHP 45, no problems with either.

[ascast]

Are your 1000 bullets loaded ammo? Or just projectiles? Cast or jacketed?

bullets are Missouri bullets Co,, all raedy to go in 155 and 140 grain. Got n some trade, two guys local want them, so they sit there for over a year. About time to go...

[Jeff Michel]

I've had several Hi-Point carbines over the years. They work reliably, sights are... battle sights. I got them just to see what they were all about. I ran a ton of ammo through them and they did indeed work but I felt they were cumbersome to handle and just a bit crude for my liking. Of course, this is just an opinion, other will have different ones. Given a choice, I'd opt for the Ruger LC in 10mm, more money, but more gun. Especially if your planning to hunt deer, the 10mm has an edge over the 40 S&W. You also have the added benefit of an increase in magazine capacity. Good luck on your decision.

[redriverhunter]

My only complaint is their trigger. I have heard their trigger best described mushy like a toy water guns.


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[GhostHawk]

Technically I own 3, one is in North Carolina doing home defense duty for the daughter.

Favorite of them all is the .45acp. That truly is a 100 yard gun, it stacks them up just like it should.

.40sw and 9mm both good at close range, and fun as heck. But they just couldn't stretch much past 25 yards.
Just my opinion, yours may vary.

[barnetmill]

If hunting is a consideration look at the 10 mm version of the hi point carbine that uses the same diameter bullets. And it may also function with 40 S&W ammo too.
Functioning in HiPoint carbines can be hit or miss. Most will function. May need a break in period or at worse back to hipoint to get it fixed. My early nine mm 995 version needed stronger springs supplied by hi point. There is a Hi Point forum that helped me out. And ex moderator drove me off that forum. I did not need any more information and so quit reading and posting there. With some luck he is not around any more; he was spending a lot of time in the hospital and sounded like he was dying.

[barnetmill]

I had one, it was fun to shoot, fed any and all different cast boolits, as accurate as the crude sights allow. I don't know about Deer at 50 yds? That might be unwise if 'chance' of boolit placement is poor. When I bought mine it came with a bunch of mags. Once the novelty wore off, I sold it. I keep all the extra mags and when I came across a Hi Point pistol in 40 for a good deal, I bought one of those and still have it. Hi Point's action works well with that caliber. I just prefer shooting pistol bullets in a pistol.

edit: I should add that I had a 1st Gen carbine. I have no idea if the next Gen was better or worse?

In the 9 mm I am not sure if the carbine mag will interchange with their pistol. I do have a .45 hipoint pistol that worked right out of the box. not sure if want a .45 carbine, but I believe those mags do interchange between carbine and pistol. I already have an M1 carbine and lever action carbines not sure that I want another carbine. The nine is useful since 9mm ammo is cheap and I bought just to have a blowback center rifle and then the .45 pistol just to see what a blow back pistol in that caliber is like. I do have a spanish astra pistol that is blowback in 9mm.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I kind of have a preference for 40 in semi-auto guns ...been that way for 20+ years. Partly, because it's more energy than 9mm and partly because at one time brass was so cheap, I was able to buy it for less than scrap value. So, I bought a lot. The fact is, I have so many 5 gal buckets of the stuff, I don't look at prices, and I don't have any idea what it's going for today? So it's easier for me to shoot 40 instead of 45acp in semi-auto, because lost brass isn't a factor, where as, I hate loosing 45acp brass...which makes me love my S&W 625.
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Your point about 9mm...Yeah, the Hi Point 9 pistol has a short mag, and the 9 carbine mag is longer. BUT...For sure, I know the 40 pistol and 40 carbine share same mag.

[barnetmill]

I kind of have a preference for 40 in semi-auto guns ...been that way for 20+ years. Partly, because it's more energy than 9mm and partly because at one time brass was so cheap, I was able to buy it for less than scrap value. So, I bought a lot. The fact is, I have so many 5 gal buckets of the stuff, I don't look at prices, and I don't have any idea what it's going for today? So it's easier for me to shoot 40 instead of 45acp in semi-auto, because lost brass isn't a factor, where as, I hate loosing 45acp brass...which makes me love my S&W 625.
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Your point about 9mm...Yeah, the Hi Point 9 pistol has a short mag, and the 9 carbine mag is longer. BUT...For sure, I know the 40 pistol and 40 carbine share same mag.

I traded for about 30 lbs of 40 cal brass plus another 3,000 cases that I purchased elsewhere and so have set up a g22 with a longer after market barrel + green dot optic to carry while on my little estate.

If I can find out if the 10 mm carbines in general work well with 40 I might be interested.

If Hipoint were to make real double column high capacity magazines fed carbines I might really be interested. They now make a version that is partly double column that goes to single column in some pistols.

[barnetmill]

Here is a youtube with this fellow firing a mix of 40 and 10mm in a 10 mm HiPoint Carbine.

[GhostHawk]

Barnett I have the .45acp Red Ball mag which is double stack at the bottom but single stack on top for my .45acp Hipoint Carbine.

Works great in the carbine. I also have the same in 9mm which is long but bent.
As far as I know the Red Ball mags are the only extended mag which gets the Hipoint seal of approval.

[Bigslug]

Save your money. Sell the bullets or melt them down for something else.

I've test fired a bunch of Hi Point evidence handguns and a couple of their carbines, which appeared to be just a long barrel bolted to their blowback breech mechanism. That they usually work is about all the positive I can put forth for them.

Really rough, rudimentary guns, which, if that's all you can afford to defend the homestead with, it's better than a sharp stick. A deer deserves better. As to the .40 S&W aspect, the round has been falling hard out of favor for the last decade. If you already had a Sig, Glock, HK, etc... chambered for it, there might be an argument for a (better) complimentary carbine. If you don't currently have a .40 of any stripe, now is a good time to keep it that way.

[barnetmill]

Barnett I have the .45acp Red Ball mag which is double stack at the bottom but single stack on top for my .45acp Hipoint Carbine.

Works great in the carbine. I also have the same in 9mm which is long but bent.
As far as I know the Red Ball mags are the only extended mag which gets the Hipoint seal of approval.

The red ball mags work in many guns, but not all.

[barnetmill]

Save your money. Sell the bullets or melt them down for something else.

I've test fired a bunch of Hi Point evidence handguns and a couple of their carbines, which appeared to be just a long barrel bolted to their blowback breech mechanism. That they usually work is about all the positive I can put forth for them.

Really rough, rudimentary guns, which, if that's all you can afford to defend the homestead with, it's better than a sharp stick. A deer deserves better. As to the .40 S&W aspect, the round has been falling hard out of favor for the last decade. If you already had a Sig, Glock, HK, etc... chambered for it, there might be an argument for a (better) complimentary carbine. If you don't currently have a .40 of any stripe, now is a good time to keep it that way.

My you are really negative. The major downside of the 40 relative to law enforcement is the recoil.

Most people that buy the carbines use them for plinking. Deer hunting is a stretch with any carbine in typical 9, 40, and 45. The 10mm with hotter loads at close range is likely fine.
As long any gun reliably goes bang and sends the bullet where you want it to go, it is a viable choice.

[Jedman]

ascast, I am not a semi auto rifle ( centerfire ) type of guy. I don’t own a single AR and have no interest in them. I resisted buying a Hi Point carbine for quite a few years until a couple of years ago I found a 4595 on sale and I broke down and bought it.
One of the reasons was I own several rifles and pistols in 45 ACP and 45 Colt so I already have all the needed stuff like bullets in many weights. I didn’t buy the HP carbine to shoot up a lot of ammo like many do, I bought it because I own a HP 45 ACP pistol and understand the platform very well as I have rebarreled the pistol with a longer barrel, lightened the trigger, threaded the muzzle for toys and the thing shoots better than most 1911’s that have $ 1000 of custom work done to them. I am in the process of modifying the carbine right now for the purpose of taking a deer or two with it but have a scope mounted on it because I don’t shoot iron sights anymore for hunting.
I guess what I am getting at is if you accept the HP carbine for what it is, they are great values. As far as buying one in 40 S&W ? The bullets that you have sound to me to light to risk under penetration for deer hunting. All HP’s are rated for + P loads so you will gain some velocity out of the longer barrel and can be loaded hotter than standard 40 S&W but if I were buying it to use for deer hunting I would get the 10 mm - 1095 model as they are probably only $ 20 more than a 40 in the same model.

My only other rifle/ carbine that I own that’s semi auto that’s in a pistol caliber in an old Ruger 44 carbine in 44 mag. When I was younger that was a perfect deer rifle for floating rivers in a canoe for deer and that rifle has taken many but is now pretty much retired as I am no longer physically able to hunt like that anymore.
If you think the HP carbine would be fun for you I give it a thumbs up !
Jedman