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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobeyond View Post
    Yes child abuse is an angle they could pursue. Or the taxing of churches. Oklahoma is putting the Ten Commandments back and prayer back in the schools. Do you know an instructor chastised me saying there is more incidence of sypylis is the Bible Belt than anywhere else in the country. Or what about forbidding evangelization of others.

    The us is getting a little uptight about Christian’s but the Muslim world is very uptight. Youth are having dreams, seeing Jesus
    And having needs fulfilled by Jesus and the next day they are being beaten by their family’s and thrown out on the streets. And because it is so real they take it. There is nothing and no one but a relief organization in the cities that can help. They live on in joy of their salvation with a gift so great they stand firm in any and all mistreatment there. Most can’t leave. Some go to Egypt more moderate.

    In Columbia Christian’s are murdered, churches are hindered and stolen from by the rebels if they won’t grow coca.
    Persecution.com Some places it’s really bad. Last year and this 2-300 Christian’s have been murdered in Nigeria by Fulani tribesman and Muslim extremists. The government does nothing.

    Iran funds protesters in this country. There is no outcry for any Christian’s human rights violations only Israel and their war against terrorism. Remember we once had a war against terrorism? Now we give them money. Why are we placating terrorists and they are not placated. Pray for the persecuted Christian’s of the Muslim world including Europe.
    And old men are having dreams that then come to pass. Yeah, it's getting to be that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Cheer View Post
    And old men are having dreams that then come to pass. Yeah, it's getting to be that time.
    It is the time’. Church shootings. The signs of the times are now. Prophecies being fulfilled. Anti christ growing. The world is waiting for a leader to bring peace and prosperity for all. They still don’t want Jesus for king. Just because it’s not happening here doesn’t mean it’s not time. Don’t let that beer or two cloud your mind. Are being scrutinized by someone? Or are you being questioned for answers. Or are unsaved people not apart of your life. Or are sinners shunned. Are your neighbors friendly. Has anyone talked to them about the gospel?

    God loves them. Give them a chance. Doing the right thing then handling their reaction. Christians are not popular except among their own kind. Others give you a chance to put the gospel into practice. I’m not perfect, but we could all do more.

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    Yes sir. With reference to John, it is time, while it is still day. The night is coming when no one can work.

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    Matthew chapter 5:11-12

    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

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    Yeah that is, all right. But I thought you guys would share incidents in your lives where someone treated you poorly for being a Christian. Or you were humiliated, or when you tried to witness and the person blew you off and it mattered to you. Does that seem so small. Are you all so tough? Or family? You talk like godly men. But someone must have experienced adversity.

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    Incidents in our personal lives...
    Long decades ago for being a Christian I was insulted by my own sneering father. Because I didn't adhere to his new age beliefs he was angry and needed to hurt me. Dad was in rebellion against his own father as well as against God. The product of rebellion is anger. It hurt at the time because I loved him but there was no way to reach him.

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    Wow! Thanks. And you got it all figured out. So you grew. But are you bitter or better…. Sounds like it still hurts. Did a humble spirit come after that? That realization is supposed to be comforting. So long ago…. But it’s real. Blessed are those who suffer persecution for righteousness sake. If I knew then what I know now I wouldn’t have suffered so much with it. I suspect you have a heart for the lost. But you don’t seem to have lost any fire. Hurts shape us and having Jesus it is made into for our good. I hope you can say that.

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    Thinking about it doesn't put me in a blue funk. Though it was so sad, it was a matter of his choices of the reality he would embrace which included rebellion and anger. He was by no means unintelligent but rather widely read, deeply interested in the world and attentive to what makes it tick. He was also prideful and prejudiced in the information he selectively pursued in support of his chosen political, religious and sociological views, rejecting what did not fit with his preconceived notions. It could probably be accurately posited that we are all guilty of that, each in our own ways, but his was a case in which the negatives overwhelm the positives. Being my father's son and knowing that the apple falls near the tree I accept the need for frequent looks in the mirror. Oh where would I be without the saving grave and guidance of Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Cheer View Post
    Thinking about it doesn't put me in a blue funk. Though it was so sad, it was a matter of his choices of the reality he would embrace which included rebellion and anger. He was by no means unintelligent but rather widely read, deeply interested in the world and attentive to what makes it tick. He was also prideful and prejudiced in the information he selectively pursued in support of his chosen political, religious and sociological views, rejecting what did not fit with his preconceived notions. It could probably be accurately posited that we are all guilty of that, each in our own ways, but his was a case in which the negatives overwhelm the positives. Being my father's son and knowing that the apple falls near the tree I accept the need for frequent looks in the mirror. Oh where would I be without the saving grave and guidance of Jesus Christ.
    Yeah, I call it taking stock. Yeah,the saving Jesus from going there. It’s like people are making their own religion sometimes.

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    When people are searching for God then yeah, they're making it up as they go along, searching, picking and choosing what seems to fit. Some people find Jesus Christ. Some people actually end up using abortion clinics as political and legal cover for ritual sacrifices. And then there are all the shades in between. Is it luck of the draw or just being like you were before passing through the water and into these physical bodies? I don't know. But how ever it is this refining process is managed I do know that God is fair.

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    I think people's spiritual journeys are super individualized and subjective. We're all trying to make sense of the world and our place in it, and that leads to a lot of exploration and experimentation. Our experiences and choices shape us, but there may be factors beyond our control too. Ultimately, I think God is fair, even if the journey is messy and unpredictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnservers View Post
    I think people's spiritual journeys are super individualized and subjective. We're all trying to make sense of the world and our place in it, and that leads to a lot of exploration and experimentation. Our experiences and choices shape us, but there may be factors beyond our control too. Ultimately, I think God is fair, even if the journey is messy and unpredictable.
    Excellent post. We are recipients of God's grace, regardless if we are works/grace believers, and always when we don't deserve it.

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    Oh yeah, totally convinced that individuals are dealt with as individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czgunner View Post
    Excellent post. We are recipients of God's grace, regardless if we are works/grace believers, and always when we don't deserve it.

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    Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


    "Works" has zero, nothing, nada, bupkis to do with Salvation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama358 View Post
    Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


    "Works" has zero, nothing, nada, bupkis to do with Salvation
    100% agree, but I've been working with some people the last year or so that cling to works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czgunner View Post
    100% agree, but I've been working with some people the last year or so that cling to works.

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    Works/working is awesome and Godly and profitable but has nothing to do with Salvation... and those folks you have been working with are lucky to have you coaching them.
    God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Cheer View Post
    When people are searching for God then yeah, they're making it up as they go along, searching, picking and choosing what seems to fit. Some people find Jesus Christ. Some people actually end up using abortion clinics as political and legal cover for ritual sacrifices. And then there are all the shades in between. Is it luck of the draw or just being like you were before passing through the water and into these physical bodies? I don't know. But how ever it is this refining process is managed I do know that God is fair.
    I know that only a few find the narrow gate. There are taxes in the church growing right along with us. And as you say some are still in the flesh as before they got baptized. Some from every religion and walk of life will get to heaven. Some small comfort? But hang on to your faith and guard your heart. What church do you go to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama358 View Post
    Works/working is awesome and Godly and profitable but has nothing to do with Salvation... and those folks you have been working with are lucky to have you coaching them.
    God Bless
    We are saved by faith. Works keep your faith alive. James 2:17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobeyond View Post
    I know that only a few find the narrow gate. There are taxes in the church growing right along with us. And as you say some are still in the flesh as before they got baptized. Some from every religion and walk of life will get to heaven. Some small comfort? But hang on to your faith and guard your heart. What church do you go to?
    Did I misunderstand that?
    Are you saying that "Some from every religion and walk of life will get to heaven"?

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