Murph, if I remember right, the ''average'' price on these rifles is right around $500.00 right now. Last fall I gave $400.00 for a like new 1975 581 at a show figuring I did okay. I looked at a few 541's but at over $1,200.00 I let em sit. They're beautiful rifles, but they don't shoot any better, and I don't care for the ''engraving'' Remington put on the receivers. Now I'm concentrating on finding a nice 513T.