I have one of the Yldis folding 410s that Academy sold about a dozen years ago fo a little over a c-note. It is an absolute whisp of a thing at 3.3pounds. Its perceived recoil is much higher than my 12 gauge 870. Even though it is just a little .410. I also have a 20 gauge youth model 870, with stock spacers to bring it to my preferred l.o.p., and although it it lighter than my 12 gauges, the ammo I use in it makes it seem like a light kicker in comparison. Weight of gun, weight of payload, speed of payload.