I believe the way Don does. It sounds like a Bud Light moment by Winchester. Note to Winchester: don't sell us hand loaders short, we buy a LOT of cases, primers, powder and those jacketed thingies. You big shots at Winchester never went broke because of us. Way back when reloaders, target shooters and hunters were a respected bunch--instead of being vilified by the lefties--the big ammo companies sold components to us gleefully and the loaded ammo purchasers had their nitch as well. The deep pocket guys might do well to listen to us.