Just for fun I duplicated my trade gun ball load - 80gr FFg, 1/8" hard card, lubed cushion wad and a .600" ball in Federal shells for my Stevens 94. First I made sure the ball would fall through the choke. I tried them a few days ago at 50 yards, and they grouped into 2 inches and right where the front bead is. Good enough! I think I'll have a few in my pocket during deer season. This load fills the case completely and leaves just enough for a nice roll crimp.