^^^^^^^ what dale says
^^^^^^^ what dale says
Exactly.
And for me, casting and reloading are not hobbies. So anything that involves those activities is done to save money or help others. If someone wanted to buy a sizeable quantity bullets from me, I would charge $20/hr for my time plus cost of materials. I would rather get a part time job than spend 10-15 hours a week casting/lubing bullets. If someone needs 100-200, I am not charging them.
A bit of common sense comes into play. No one "needs" to try out 1000 bullets. The amount of lead in 200 200 gr bullets is less than 6 lbs....about $10. Not worth charging for IMHO. The few times someone has offered to pay for stuff like that, I told them to put $20 into the collection plate at their church. Maybe I look at this wrong, but helping someone out means just that...not trying to make $10. If it is someone I do not want to help, I ignore the post.
Don Verna
"Pittman-Robertson Act" 11% excise tax
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“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
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There are so many Laws ,Ordinances , Rules , Regulations , Statutes , Acts and Guidelines ...
By Federal , State , Parish (County) , City and Subdivisions ....
There is nothing you can legally do any longer !
Everything is either Illegal , Immoral , Fattening or Contributes to Global Warming .
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https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonie.../dp/1594035229
A great read about how invasive Government is in our lives.
The basic premise is that the average professional commits several felonies a day...all without knowing about it.
NRA Benefactor.
I'm not even going to jump into this swamp - just going to point out that the laws regarding both firearms and ammunition in California are way more restrictive than they are in the United States of America. In America they have this thing called "constitutional rights". In Kommiefornia that doesn't mean so much. Common things like sharing some ammunition with a friend or enjoying shooting sports are either highly illegal, or will result in you feeling the full effects of Karen Cancel Culture's wrath. Please note that I am being sarcastic, but the sad truth is that things which shooters take for granted in other states can cause difficulties here. The less that the state knows, the better off you are.
For crying out loud folks. An FFL is required to sell guns if you are "engaged in the business" of selling guns. Selling your own personal guns every now and then w/o the FFL is still legal under federal law. Same with selling your own bullets that you cast. If you are "engaged in the business" of making and selling bullets then get the FFL. If you sell a few bullets, cast or otherwise, to friends now and then the FFL is not needed because you're not "engaged in the business.
If the FFL is needed just to sell your own bullets now and then there are a whole lot of law breakers over on the "for sale" forum.....me included. When is the last time anyone on our for sale or trade forum got investigated, arrested or prosecuted for selling bullets w/o an FFL? Some need to take off their conspiracy tin foil hats and just enjoy our sport.
Larry Gibson
“Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
― Nikola Tesla
Hear hear Larry seams a whole lot of folks take themselves too serious. And are always ready to jump on someone for doing something anything that they deem wrong. Oh well it is the internet after all
The one case remotely close that I can think of is the guy who supplied the Las Vegas shooter and doesn't even fit your criteria and he was only found out after the Las Vegas shooting happened. He had a website and visited gun shows for years and apparently was able to make it work without an FFL. To think someone is going to come knocking on your door for selling a few bullets over this website is insane.
"(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a
###regular course of trade###
or business with the ##principal objective of livelihood and profit## through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured;"
If your casting bullets for a day job you need an ffl AND itar liscencing. The ffl is easy. The Itar is a $2500+ fee if I recall correctly.
If your casting to help out a forum member. And they want to buy your 100 grain ingots, at the cost of materials and shipping go ahead.
You can also just label them 'airgun slugs, not for firearms use' with a sticker, and be totally legit. My airrifle and revolver shoot the same boolits. At almost the same speeds sometimes too. Boolit or slug, dont care what barrel it flies from as long as it's the right size.
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If a hammer and chisel is called "burglar tools" by the police department, then I guess a Lee 20 lb pot and a mold would be what? Destructive devices? Gimme a break!
IT AINT what ya shoot--its how ya shoot it. NONE of us are as smart as ALL of us! The more I travel, the more I like right where I am.
I believe Trump got rid of the ITAR for non export.
Not to beat a dead horse on this question but most every responder to this question had logical points on both sides of the issue, but logic doesn’t always rule when it comes to the law. Just talked to “Charley” of the Tampa ATF with the question and he emphatically stated whether you sell one or 10,000 bullets you cast, you’re in the business and therefore required to have an FFL. Now that aside, will you be prosecuted for selling a few? I maintain in all likely hood probably not with the small quantities requested; but, as with anything, there’s the possibility. The post was academic, not whether it makes sense or not. As an aside, the forum where the question was asked was not mentioned.
If I sell 10 pounds of lead, does it matter the shape of the ingots?
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |