What primers are you using with the 6 grains of 231 load?
What primers are you using with the 6 grains of 231 load?
Some were loaded with CCI LP primers and some with Winchester (blue box) LP primers.
They sit a little deep in the rifle primer pocket but they all have gone bang.
I seem to remember a large write-up in one of the gun magazines back about the mid- to late-'70s or so describing that writer's experiences with this same journey. It might be worth going back and looking for it.
Froggie
"It aint easy being green!"
Ed Harris and Dean Grennell both had good write ups in the '70's about 45 ACP shotshell development.
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Bullshop Junior, I have made quite a few of these shot cartridges for my 357 and 44 mag (straight wall cases) by loading them like a shotshell.
I start by sizing, priming and belling the case. Add a light load of Bullseye (try 4 grains- much more tends to blow the pattern apart). Add an over powder cardboard wad made from a cereal box. Add small shot until the case is nearly full, leaving enough room for another cardboard wad over the shot and finish with a light crimp.
I put laquer or finger nail polish to seal the top of the case. They all work great on pop cans at a few steps. I only got one snake, but it didn't wiggle so worked great in my mind.
Dave
smilin jack
Try them on Bumble bees. Its like shooting miniature sporting clays in your yard.
I'm a Happy Clinger.
3/8" works for primer sleeve over shot wads, at least for me. I have also used 35 cal gas checks, kind of depends how much you crimp the mouth.
Robert
push wads in sideways.Then use a pencil orflat end dowel or bolt to turn it flat before pushing it down
Use a pair of needle nose pliers
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I believe the shotsleeve to be very important to the load.
Without it, the shotload is spun in a whirlpool and flies outward as soon as it exit the barrel.
A lot of the shot charge is waste and what does hit is a small amount except within very short range.
I think the shotcup does more good by protecting the shot from the rifling. It prevents shot from being scrubbed out of round by contact with the bore, and it helps prevent leading.
The shot charge is still going to be spun by the twist, but you have more round shot that helps the pattern, instead of immediately departing for left field as it leaves the muzzle.
Robert
On the shells I make with the RCBS die sets, I use 375 gas checks, and they do an excellent job. Good to know that .357 ones work too.
I take it that it doesn't hurt the barrel at all?
None of my shotloads have.
Robert
Re. Crimping handgun shotshells. Many years ago I had a machinist friend make a die for me that has a tapered cone on the inside. With it I can roll crimp anything from .32 S&W Long up to 45-70. So with a heavy overshot card or a gascheck I can make a good solid roll crimp and the shotshells can be shot in the cylinder with bullet rounds with without spilling.
I have used a 45 ACP RN bullet seater to crimp some of the loads I have made but one with an arbor to push the over shot card down, while crimping (see post #18), is by far the quickest and most reliable method, I have used.
This works well. Before I stumbled upon my set of RCBS shotshell dies for the .45ACP, I was crimping by using the entrance to a CH .38 Special taper crimp die. Basically the big cone that Travlin describes, only with a hole that I used a pencil to hold the overshot wad in place.
Robert
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |