For now these are unobtanium. I want a .223. Tipping the scales at 4 lbs, 10 oz this would be a great hiking rifle. Also comes in 7.62 x 39 and 6.5 Grendal. But I want the flat shooting and cheap to shoot .223. A CZ American could fit the bill as well and it has a metal single stack magazine which is a plus. Will see how long it takes Howa to fill the pipeline.