After a few years I have came to a 2 inch or close to it - 100 yard group with a rifle most of the time works for me .
Handguns well that depends I'm not that good with them , the little devils just keep wiggling around but a 4 inch 25 yard load puts a lot of holes in my targets with most of my magazine loaded handguns . I'm working on the 50 yard handgun shooting but it's not coming easily to me .
But I am enjoying it very much !