Good luck getting it to feed!
Feeds fine in my Colt Gold Cup.
Don
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Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.
I have always liked the Keith #452423 bullet in my 625, my Ruger single action custom & to a smaller degree my 1011's. Many, many people under estimate the killing power of a good 1911 with good bullets, fatal mistake!
I also shoot a Miha #452374 HP & if you look close the HP is shallow at the bottom which delays expansion & allows the bullet to work very well on game. It feeds well & kills well, whether in a 1911 or a Ruger or Smith 45.
When char-gar tells you something it comes from first hand experience, best to listen.
Dick
I realize this is on old thread, but that's an awful lot of talk for something that can be found in a reloading manual. Alliant removed most of their data, but they used to list a 260 grain bullet with 8.5 gr bluedot for a max load. That was a standard pressure load, I've never seen +P data for the heavier bullets. +P data is hard to come by regardless.
The Lee 255 gr SWC with 8.5 gr Bluedot at 1.215" OAL does 850 fps in my P220. I see no reason to send a solid cast bullet any faster, penetration is extreme, matches anything a 10mm auto can do.
So, to give proper respect and honor to a true Texas gentleman on his birthday, I'd like to post something Charles Graff wrote a ways back on the 452423 boolit:
http://www.sixguns.com/crew/cba.htm
Happy Birthday, brother Charles!
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Something else Charles Graff wrote a while back, pertinent to the exact topic of the thread. As I stated above, it is quite easy to get the 452423 to feed if the barrel is sufficiently throated:
Charles posted these two images with the above post:
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It's obvious that there are many years between the post Charles wrote which Wayne Dobbs referenced, and the post I referenced which is a bit over 3 years ago. As Bob Dylan would say, the times they are a changin'.
Until the advent of the internet and boards like this one, barrel throating was pretty much a black art, only subscribed to by a few smiths who knew what the deal was, but this custom was not shared and many wouldn't publish their trade secrets given the chance. Now that we have global communication at the speed of light, and a Google search could find just about anything you can type in the search box, it's easy to see how important fitment really is, and how every autopistol from the old warhorse itself right to the newest poly framed krunchentickers benefit from having a proper sized throat in the barrel.
On the left, what you get from almost all recent manufacturer's barrels, on the right is what you NEED for shooting cast boolits, especially the 452423.
In addition to the above discussion, let me say that years ago I used to compete in bowling pin matches using a 14rd Para Ordnance framed 1911 with an old WWII era Remington Rand upper, I had this magnaported and my load of choice was the Keith type LSWC, basically either a 452423 or a 454423 I don't recall, over a very stout charge of 700x. This load gripped the pins and forcefully flung them several feet behind the table, often lifting them 2 or more feet into the air, recoil was stiff and it was hard to bring the sights back on target for following shots.
I would venture to say that this load, out of a 1911 would be about as deadly on hogs as one could possibly come up with.
Last edited by DougGuy; 07-16-2020 at 05:50 PM.
Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.
FWIW, I’m experimenting with hog loads in a 625 using the Montana Bullet Works LBT 250 OGW. Want to see how it works before ordering a mold.
So far the leading candidate is 6.8 grains of Power Pistol, which gives just under 900 FPS and lighter recoil than any factory ball I’ve tried.
IDK if it’s me or the gun, but shooting 6 shot groups at 25 yards, I’ll get three almost in the same hole and the other three open the group to about 2.5”. It’s been to Doug for throat reaming and the MBW boolits fit just right.
By contrast by GP100 MC 10mm doesn’t shoot for squat with the LBT 200 WFN coated. These are coated from MBW #2 alloy and sized .402. The boolits slip more easily than I’d like. Pushed by Universal or PP, theyre all over the paper. It prints under 2” at 25 with the Sig Elite 180 TC. This gun might be going on the block.
I have not put much work into my own heavy bullet 45 loads, but mine do not shoot much better. Usually 4" to 4 1/2" at 50 yards is how the Lee 255 gr with Bluedot shoots for me. But again, I did not work to improve accuracy, this load meets my needs, so I left it.
That's very strange your 10mm wont shoot the 200 gr WFN well. The 10mm, 200 grain bullet, and bluedot go together like salt and pepper. It could be your gun doesn't like that particular bullet.
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