Anyone have one of these?
Good - Bad ?
What say you?
Anyone have one of these?
Good - Bad ?
What say you?
Scott
You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them.
my a-bolt .270 is a mighty fine weapon. If you can get it for a decent price I'd sure buy it. They don't make it anymore but it was a $1,000 gun new.
"My main ambition in life is to be on the devil's most wanted list."
Leonard Ravenhill
I have one and I use it for deer hunting. It is a very good and accurate slug gun,i use Winchester dual bond 3 inch slugs in it and it is very accurate. My only gripe is that it kicks hard...………………...curdog
I saw these are now discontinued, I found them on sale for $699+ tax.
Scott
You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them.
So they have a 3" chamber? Is the barrel rifled?
That means using 3" hulls or accuracy is mediocre.
That also means that unless you load your own that it is going to kick like a mule, since there is no such thing as "Factory made Low Recoil 3" Magnums."
kind of defeats the purpose.
Randy
"It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,,It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do!"
www.buchananprecisionmachine.com
You know you NEED one Scott. Better buy it Quick. Gp
They made these things the first time in fully rifled or smooth with screw ins . I was fortunate and picked up one of the fully rifled stalkers NIB for like $450 . Killed several deer with it and it shot very well using the Winchester Partition Gold 2 3/4” slug . I had a Leupold Vari XII 3-9 on top and it wasn’t difficult to keep three shots in about 1 1/2” at 100 yards . The downside to this is I also had a Savage 210F that would do as well with the Federal 2 3/4” Barnes Expander slug . Ammo costs were the same but at that time a new Savage 210F could be had most anywhere for $350 or less . So eventually I sold the Browning for a profit as it was in between the two production runs of the A-Bolt shotgun . Nice enough guns but I like the Savage 220 20 gauge a good bit more and the 220 is a heck of a lot easier to carry .
Parker's , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines
I have to agree, those 12ga bolt guns are heavy & kick like a mule If I were to run across a Savage 220 for the right price I'd grab it. I already have 2 Marlin 512's, the second one I got because it was replaced with a 220 & I couldn't pass it up for the price. The 12ga rifled slug guns are not in demand any more. Many guys I know now hunt with 220's.
The Savage 210F I sold I kinda wish I’d kept . The guy that bought it took the barrel off and the stock and turned it into a 20+ pound turkey shoot gun . I honestly didn’t think the recoil in the Savage 210 or Browning that bad with 2 3/4” slugs . But the Marlin 512 I had for a short period was just cumbersome but from the bench in the bags it shot some rather impressive groups even though the trigger in the gun was terrible . I will say the Savage 210 I had was pre AccuTrigger and I had put a rather nice RifleBasix trigger in it . Took the trigger out before I sold it LOL’s .
Parker's , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines
What has attracted me to the Browning is occasionally, you will see one with the wood stock. I watch all that comes up on the auction sites in that configuration and will eventually snag one.
I'm a Savage bolt action fan, but I don't know why I've shied away from the 212. I have talked to their custom shop gal once, I called about a Scout 10FCM in 300 Savage. Not sure why I didn't do it, it was only about $100 more than the 308 Win and 7.62x39 offerings I already had. Anyway, I've thought about calling them to see if I could buy a 212 with a wooden stock and 2¾" chamber.
Michael
Cabela's has quite a few of the molded checkered composite stock models in stock as "USED" but these have never been shot.
Just shy of $700 for a $1100-$1200 gun.
Scott
You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them.
I wonder why all these guns are built with 3" Chambers when there is so many heavy 2 3/4" loads out there. The Factories have to know that this degrades accuracy in what is essentially a 12 ga Rifle. I see no significant reason to go to 3" loads unless you are going to shoot a Cape Buffalo or something that big and strong. Brenneke Heavy Field Short Magnum 2 3/4" Slugs (1 1/4 oz 1476 fps ) are just short of 3" Black Magic 3" slugs (1 3/8 oz 1502 fps) or the most powerful Magnum Crush Slugs (1 1/2 oz 1604 fps) the latter two being good for anything on earth and the 2 3/4" slug rated for everything up to all but the biggest game.
Point being there is enough power available in just about any 2 3/4" slug to take anything in NA, and we can load these with either Home Made Slugs like the Russian ones or slugs like the Gualandi Thunderbolt (1 3/8 oz) from BPI if you don't cast. And yet the vast majority of 12 ga Slug Guns are 3" chambered? Do they think you will need more power?
But the back side of this is,,, anyone who thinks they are going to shoot more than 1 of those Brenneke 1 1/2 slugs at 1600 fps is not playing with a full deck and will have even less cards to play with after they touch one off. 1 3/8 oz = 600 gr, and 1 1/2 oz is 655 gr! The big one has 3804 ft lbs of ME and a TKO of 110 !!!!! This is 1.6 times the TKO of a .458 WM. Then you're going to shoot it out of a 7-8 lb gun? Dude, you're really not thinking strait.
Thus my point is, "Why all the 3" Magnum Chambers?" When nobody is going to be able to use them effectively?
I have to order some RIO 3" primed hulls from BPI and see what differences I can see in accuracy between shooting 2 3/4" and 3" shells in the same gun. RD did some testing and there appears to be some significant differences. My own testing between the same rounds ran in my 2 3/4 A5 versus the 3" M500, both with rifled barrels and the same ammo showed a huge difference in accuracy. The A5 groups were great and the M500 groups looked like 3/4" buckshot!
I will inquire at the Savage Booth next year at SHOT as to why these guns have 3" chambers?
Randy
"It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,,It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do!"
www.buchananprecisionmachine.com
Are we certain the jump really degrades accuracy
significantly ?
I used to think so, but my Lyman 525 loads in 2 3/4 do better than the 3" in the same barrel. Shotguns don't seem to agree with each other about anything.
"My main ambition in life is to be on the devil's most wanted list."
Leonard Ravenhill
The most accurate slug ammo i ever shot in my 3" Marlin 512 was 2 3/4" Winchester Partition Gold sabots.
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