Win 92 converted to 357(doesn't count for this discussion), Win 94, older 94 Marlin both in 44 mag AND what looks like similar type barrels, a 336 and a 94 AE both 30-30 plus an original 336 444. All shoot just fine after you discover what they like. 311291 @ .311. 429244gc @ 430. 357 east everything.