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Thanks for the enlightenment cranky calico.
Due to the price of primers, warning shots will no longer be given!
Yep. Came in hot, 21 posts in 24 hrs. You're off to a great start, DR. CC.Originally Posted by Wheelguns 1961
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I have written my congress idiots, I get the form letter back that we have to do something... no you don't HAVE to do something that is not based in science. I am fighting with my doc now to get enough percocet for breakthrough pain in the middle of the night. And now only getting 4-5 hours of sleep a night because pain wakes me up... and being in pain I do less, move less and that leads to more pain... vicious circle that is driving people to suicide(No not me I am to stubborn for that, others I know online)...
The REALLY sad part is that you can probably get all the Percocet you want on a street corner in say Chicago or Los Angeles, but you cant get it legally through a doctor. But yet to "solve" the problem of illegal drugs, LEGAL users have to suffer.
The attempt is to stop over prescription, sad part is people can get it anytime they want if its NOT needed. I had to have my wisdom teeth out, the stupid DENTIST gave me a prescription for 100 Tylenol #3 with codeine. didn't ask, simply CALLED IT IN TO MY PHARMACY. It was really really hard to comprehend why I would need a 1 month supply for wisdom teeth, but its like that for a lot of non existent pain.
Had a coworker pinch something in his back, his doctor thought a morphine shot in the office and a Tylenol 3 prescription was the only thing needed, didn't even want to do an xray to see what was actually wrong with co worker.
no doubt some need them and a good many could get by just fine without them. I lived on them for 5 years. I pretty much wasted 5 years of my life. I had pain. theres no doubt about it. But those pills took as much quality of life away from me as the pain did. Then add to that my wife went in for surgery and was given some and she got to liking them way to much way to fast and after they told her no more she started stealing mine and ended up having to go and dry out. Lucky for me they never got ahold of me like her. Same with alcohol. I drank like a fish when I was young but never HAD to have it.
Theres absolutely no doubt in my mind that there is a prescription drug problem in this country and a crack down is needed. When I took them my doctor about gave me an unlimited supply. Handed them out like m&ms. You kind of get into a mode when you have that many to take them everytime your even a bit sore. What I found when I stopped is that for me anyway they really didn't stop the pain. It was still there. What I did for me was allow me to sit in a chair half way comfortably drooling. Sat so much that it compounded my problems and I just got worse.
Do I think they should be banned? Heck no theres people that really do need them but truth be told its probably 5-10 percent of the people the doctors handed them out to. Why wouldn't they. Your hurting so you go to the doctor. He gives you a bunch of oxy and it helps your pain. You then think hes a good doctor because he helped you when in fact your problem might have been fixed by surgery and you ended up a junky instead. Heck the first doctor that prescribed them to me lost his license and practice for writing scrips for his friends to get pills for himself because he was an addict. Add to that the fact that 1000s of those pills that are prescribed end up on the street.
Should they be banned altogether. NO. At least not until a viable replace is found for the people that REALLY NEED THEM. But youd have to be blind or stupid to think that this is not a problem in this country and way to many are prescribed to people who could get along just fine without them. America has gotten soft. They want to be able to pill away any discomfort God gives them. Have some anxiety pill it away, day going bad pill it away. You have a boo boo pill it away. Half the country takes pills to numb them from the real world.
Some real common sense laws need to be passed that do control who and who is not in need of them and how much they really need. Someone like mary might need them every day but shes a small percentage of those that do and really need to. My last surgery was a back surgery. past surgerys I would take them for months. this time I said no. I told the doctor I didn't want ANY. He said that he didn't think it was a good idea and that I really should take them for at least a week so that I could at least move around and exercise instead of laying in bed. I took them for 3 days. Did I need them. YOU BET I DID. I ate crow because I forgot how painful recovery can be. Was the pain gone in 3 days. HECK NO. but it was bearable and the edge could bet taken off with non narcotic prescription pills. But like my wife said that's just me and I cant judge others by my tolerance to pain.
I think what this shake up will accomplish is forcing drug companys that sure want to sell something to come up with a safer replacement for narcotics. Will it be totally safe? Probably not but it sure cant be a lot worse then the problems narcotics have cost us. the big question is will our government address this correctly. Pharmaceutical companys are one of the biggest lobbyist in this country and have way to much sway over our law makers. If you are one of those 5 percent that is being hurt by this crackdown I do feel sorry for you. I hope common sense laws are put in place that don't add to your pain. But bottom line is its hurting the other 95 percent of us be it by making new addicts, kids dying off of pills and patches that make it to the street or even by people going to rehab that have no insurance or are on medicade that us as tax payers have to foot the bill for. Remember too that at least for now nobody is trying to ban them totally, at least not with any success. What people want is more control and scrutinization of who there given too and how much is given. Is that a bad thing? Maybe if your a junky or are one of those that pill away everything. But if you really need them raise your hand here if they have been taken away.
News flash those pills there buying on the street corner didn't come from those dealers having access to the drug manufactures they came from either drugs that came into this country illegally or from people selling narcotics that were prescribed to them. Up here in this very rural area id about bet that 90 percent of them could be traced back to a doctors script.The REALLY sad part is that you can probably get all the Percocet you want on a street corner in say Chicago or Los Angeles, but you cant get it legally through a doctor. But yet to "solve" the problem of illegal drugs, LEGAL users have to suffer.
In the past that was the norm and is why we have a problem so big today. This is what needs to be stopped. When I had a prescription it was for 10mg oxycodone 4 times a day and got them a 120 at a time and every month was given a script for a 6oz bottle of liquid morphine for when it got real bad. I was told even if I didn't take it all to keep refilling the prescription because if I didn't it would show I didn't need it all and it would be harder to justify getting more. So every month I flushed about half of it down the toilet. Now take someone that is struggling to feed there family and has legit pain and give them the same. What do you think there going to do with those 60 left overs that are worth over 10 bucks a crack on the street.The attempt is to stop over prescription, sad part is people can get it anytime they want if its NOT needed. I had to have my wisdom teeth out, the stupid DENTIST gave me a prescription for 100 Tylenol #3 with codeine. didn't ask, simply CALLED IT IN TO MY PHARMACY. It was really really hard to comprehend why I would need a 1 month supply for wisdom teeth, but its like that for a lot of non existent pain.
Last edited by Lloyd Smale; 12-12-2018 at 08:25 AM.
I went to my Pain Management place that I am required to go to every month as I am on 24/7 pain meds. I am up every hour or two due to pain. They call it insomnia. I have some nights that are so bad you want to scream every ten minutes for the entire night. I asked for something to knock me out for a bit. They refused saying since I live alone there wasn't anyone to monitor me and gave me a limited supply of pain meds I already have. They also called them breakout pills. For those that think it easy, just cut back on everyone's meds, who gets to decide who is really hurting? Doctors? One says you need them another says take an ibuprofen.
I feel your pain! I am up every 2 hours, have to get up and walk to get my back to stop screaming. My best description is let me jab an icepick in your lower spine then twist it around hitting your leg nerves randomly. And that is WITH the pain meds... and I can't take an extra at night anymore because the forced my doc to cut my percocet script in half. So my pain level is way up, I sleep less, I get less done during the day so my back acts up more form inactivity... it is a vicious circle that makes life miserable.
And I never abused them, I take the bare minimum to get by but now I no longer have the choice of taking extra if I need it... I used to be able to take up to 6 percocet a day, generally stayed around 3 unless i was doing a lot of heavy lifting or garden stooping then would take 1-2 extra to knock the pain back to bearable. As I type this my pain level is spiking to a 10... and my 10 would have most people screaming for morphine...
DEA is busting docs for prescribing "to many" pills. "To Many" is decided by some bureaucrat who doesn't live in constant pain. By some idiot who thinks they need to step into my relationship with my doctor and screw it up... the federal government should have NO SAY in how a patient is treated. Train docs better to spot addiction and misuse!
You can thank/blame the Obamination & his socialist Demoncraps, et al., + insurance companies for that bureaucratic mess. The ACA{"ObamaCare"} was a scam & just made things worse than before so others can make $$ & the Gooberment gets involved & messes things up even worse...
Then the Republi"cants" don't figure out what to do when they have the chance to change things & get rid of that ACA/Obamycare mess... { AFTER running on repealing the ACA mess & no one seems to remember that!!!}
It isn't gonna get any better until someone has the "intestinal fortitude" to change things & the current guy who is trying, is getting his chops busted every day trying to make things better. A little cooperation instead of backstabbing by the Republicants would help out a lot if some of them would grow a spine & work to make things better as well...
Off my soap box now, since most of ya know how I think about such things. It just makes me even more ticked off when I think of such things...
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New report released today.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-...od-killer.html
Top killer at 37% fentenyl
Next is heroine at 32%
Third is hydrocodone
I’m sure you have seen the mega fent busts over the past few years. Almost all was smuggled in from another country. Heroine is a given as already unlawful. Those 2 account for almost 70% of the deaths.
Know where the problem is before trying to fix it. Still want open boarders?
YMMV
Last edited by WheelgunConvert; 12-12-2018 at 08:00 PM. Reason: Abbreviation wrong
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I haven't slept more than two hours straight in decades. It's no fun for sure but it has become my life. I'll deal with it. I am even looking into another surgery that would hopefully allow me to manage this better and use less meds. Imagine actually looking forward to another surgery. It's nuts but with continuous pain it would be nice if it would stop for a while. I am lucky in that the dose I take doesn't bother me a bit. I never get a "buzz" or anything like that. It simply helps with the pain so I can do my work. Retirement scares the heck out of me even though I am well past the retirement age.
On another note.....a good friend of mine's mother has extreme pain. She is 93 years old and they don't want to give her pain meds because of a "possible" addiction. OK....first off it is only "possible" and at 93 do you really care? Allow her few remaining years to be in comfort.
Lloyd brings up a couple of very good points here that I've emphasized in bold.
The same thing can be said regarding many styles of semi-automatic firearms, and if you look closer into those doctors who bloviate about there "being no need for so many opiods" in the pharmacy cabinet, those same bastions of health are also for banning or heavily restricting/regulating private gun ownership. They also think flying small airplanes is dangerous, that motorcyclists should have to pay exorbitant insurance premiums, etc etc.
The only thing that people like these doctors and so-called "concerned citizens" DON'T seem to have a problem with is when people like those of us who signed up and served go off to battle to defend their cozy, comfortable lifestyles here at home.
It's called freedom.
If someone wants to take prescription opioids until they are a veritable junkie, so what? Let family intercede if it's bad enough. Don't make your family members' problems MY problems. In our family, we take care of our own. We don't run to the gov't demanding that everyone else's access to guns or Tylenol 3 or motorcycles be further regulated or restricted because we couldn't manage a rogue or problematic family member. And I don't want other families running to Uncle Sugar Daddy demanding more regulations for inanimate objects or legal prescriptions that have benefits for my own family members.
We already have laws in place for bad doctors, doctor-shopping junkies, drug dealers, those who misuse/abuse firearms, etc. What we don't have is fair, swift and effective PUNISHMENT for those who break those laws.
When we, as a nation, start uniformly demanding harsh, swift punishment for our lawbreakers, then and only then will I even begin to entertain any thoughts of further regulating any inanimate objects or legal chemicals that I may encounter or partake of as part of the deal that comes from being a citizen in a nation that is supposed to be the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free.
Well my wife is Codine free after some 25-30 years.
Gabbypentonal or some similar non opiod drug is what they put her on.
Does not work as well, has a few more side effects.
But she was able to taper off the codine with no real ill effects.
It seriously helped that she retired. did not have to go into work hurting.
Just letting her take life at her own pace, lots of sit downs helps.
Best of luck to all of you who are still struggling.
BE CAREFUL with Gabbapentin! Originally developed to help seizures in DOGS. Docs had my wife on it for months -- didn't work very well and watching her taper off of it broke my heart, VERY bad Joneses for her when she decided to stop it.
This "opioid epidemic" is totally manufactured. Hydrocodone works, the people who NEED it are not the problem as they rarely abuse it. CDC states 60% of the OD's and abuses are due to street level synthetic fentanyl and the whole thing is already causing suicides etc for those who need pain meds the worst. Inhumane treatment of patients to say the least.
Go into hospital for major surgery and get sent home with ibuprofen???? It's happened, it's happening, and will continue to happen unless enough of us keep writing representatives......
Just saying.....
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Agreed on Gabapentin, for my family it seems to be good at making our brains just stop - as in, stop being able to think - Become unable to do higher brain functions at all, so badly that we know something's wrong but can't put it into words. Not everyone has this reaction, but if "something's wrong" and she can't do things she used to be able to do, it could be that.
Lyrica is a better choice than gabapentin. It is a more refined version of it with fewer side effects. But stopping it really really sucks... I had to go off it for a week due to trying another med... 5 days feeling like I was going to puke my guts up...
For me the pain meds allow me some kind of useful life. I have no desire to retire even though I am well beyond retirement age I just have a great deal of pain. I have never suffered a side effect from them and never got a "buzz" They simply help me manage the pain and function as best as I can. I have tried everything the doctors recommended and nothing seems to help. I have one last surgical option which I may try. The only people who will suffer pain from a "crack down" will be the people who need the meds. I have yet to find a person suffering with chronic real pain who abuses the meds. It is hard to explain to some people what a constant nasty aching for 24 hours a day 7 days a week is like and it goes from that to a severe pain that wakes you every night and you pace the floor until exhausted.
I have been a watcher of American society for a very long time. There is a cycle that runs like this. 1) Something bad happens and the media reports it over and over and over again until the public is all spun up. 2)They put pressure on their government to pass a law and stop the bad stuff. 3) The government bends to the pressure and passes such a law. 4) This law has serious blow back and unintended consequences and people suffer.
Nobody thinks this stuff through, not the public, not the politicans, nobody. We are a society that is run on emotion and ignorance and that costs lives and inflicts all kinds of suffering. This many involve guns, drugs or just about anything else.
Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.
This is what happens when society becomes reactive rather than proactive.
I grew up in a time in which we were reactive to criminals by way of being proactive about ensuring we had enough prison cells, enough tough judges and enough cotton fields that needed hoeing by the chain gangs. Now the snowflakes are reactive to the "unfair plight of the historically disadvantaged."
I grew up in a time in which medical researchers were proactive in studying and seeking vaccines and cures and preventive measures for killers like small pox, polio, etc. Now the Medical Cartel is more interested in developing new psychotropic drugs then hiring huge ad agencies to "create the problem that their new wonder pill treats" all while ignoring the basic ills of an aging society such as arthritis, chronic pain, prostrate and breast cancer. Can't be bothered by us baby boomers and old folks. Got a whole new generation of millennials and their professional victim statuses to exploit.
all doctors get perks from There Drug Industries Reps to push there products. Yes perks. trips, incentives and alike. Don't call them Bribes . there Industry perks. just like Referrals. Frankly they get a kick back from other helpful Md's for Referring a patient To them.
There not giving Them $10 Bucks. They Get big Bucks For referring test after test . which Your Insurance pays for. This is a big buck perk system.
If you think not. reconsider it. Big Big Bucks. do you Think he is seeing You for a $15.00 Co pay don't be a Fool. Same with The Pill he prescribes Big Bucks
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Yup.. I am in this ^ camp...This is what happens when society becomes reactive rather than proactive.
I grew up in a time in which we were reactive to criminals by way of being proactive about ensuring we had enough prison cells, enough tough judges and enough cotton fields that needed hoeing by the chain gangs. Now the snowflakes are reactive to the "unfair plight of the historically disadvantaged."
I grew up in a time in which medical researchers were proactive in studying and seeking vaccines and cures and preventive measures for killers like small pox, polio, etc. Now the Medical Cartel is more interested in developing new psychotropic drugs then hiring huge ad agencies to "create the problem that their new wonder pill treats" all while ignoring the basic ills of an aging society such as arthritis, chronic pain, prostrate and breast cancer. Can't be bothered by us baby boomers and old folks. Got a whole new generation of millennials and their professional victim statuses to exploit.
2nd Amend./U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
~~ WWG1WGA ~~
Restore the Republic!!!
For the Fudds > "Those who appease a tiger, do so in the hope that the tiger will eat them last." -Winston Churchill.
President Reagan tells it like it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6MwPgPK7WQ
Phil Robertson explains the Wall: https://youtu.be/f9d1Wof7S4o
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