I've used a lot of unique, and have a cousin who is addicted to it from .38-30-06 (seriously) I never liked it much because I could never get past the poor metering characteristics
I've used a lot of unique, and have a cousin who is addicted to it from .38-30-06 (seriously) I never liked it much because I could never get past the poor metering characteristics
Anyone use HS7 or Win 571 for this purpose?
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Yeah, I’m tagging onto a really old thread, but someone please double check me on my bullseye information.
Lyman cast book #4 shows 4.9 - 6.0 gr bullseye for the Lyman version of H&G #68 200gr SWC with 6.0 being potentially most accurate. COAL listed @ 1.235.
It seems significantly more than most of the discussion in this conversation.
My cast is HB alloy.
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Also, my 3rd edition lists the same.
5.8 of WW231
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I've been using 6.5 grains of Unique under a 230 grain lrn. I got these about 30 years ago, but the guy no longer casts and does not have the molds anymore. Accuracy was fair from a 5" barrel 1911. Not great, but fair.
I just loaded a batch of Berry's plated 230 with the same charge of 6.5 grains on Unique. The accuracy was terrible to say the least, and I was severely embarrassed, as I was qualifying for a permit. I hadn't used this load before but had felt pretty confident as only having changed from lrn to berry's plated. I also had terrible powder fouling and a lot of unburnt powder so that I had a lot of powder flakes on the shooting bench in front of me.
I have purchased some factory ammo for the first time, as I didn't have time this week to load something else for tomorrow.
I will use those, but need to find what is wrong with my combination. I have 700x and 800x available, plus 2400, Bullseye and Red Dot.
Don't have any 231 which was recommended by a friend. I have always used a VERY slight crimp, just enough to take out the bell. I'm thinking about trying a heavier crimp to see what that does, however I just got done disassembling 250 rounds tonight. I've saved a couple of hundred to try the crimp, but can't before tomorrow. Thought some of you might have an insight.
Ronnie, it sounds like you need a decent crimp on that load to get pressures up to where all the powder will burn. Bullseye and Red Dot are more easily ignited and require less pressure.
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Thanks. I re-crimped a box of them tonight but will have to wait to get back to the range in a few days to check them.
I think I'm also going to load up some with 700x and 800x to see what that does.
I have known people to use 700X for target loads in the .45acp. I don' know about max. Loads.
I've run Lee and Miha's #68 clones over 6.3grn. H-Universal in my Kimber Eclipse the last several years. Bullets are WW or WW/shot with a little tin thrown in. I do cast, size to .452, heat treat at 400deg. for an hour and dunk them. My Kimber does like them heat treated better than not.
I've run it in all makes of brass but always with CCI 300's. It does clock right on 960fps, per Hogdon's data.
I finally got a chance to see how they did on "meat" a while back. A couple trapped hogs were the target. Range was 10'. One 275lb. piggy took one right between the eyes, bullet came out his throat. The other was a smaller 100lb unit. He was broadside and I popped him through the shoulders. Went clean through. It was a little pig and he was close, but I made sure I hit a lot of bone and it sill went through (he flopped over immediately, btw). Stuff like that makes me wonder why I'd need 230's..........
my question is are u sizing & lubing or Pcing?
Sizing to .452, heat treating @ 400deg for an hour and water quenching, then lubing with 50/50.
The target load that my friends and I always used was 5.5 gr.Unique with the 200 gr. SWC bullet.We never needed more than that, and I occasionally used that load in the 45ACP to shoot at 100yd targets, and even the 300 yd gong. I hit it a couple of times too.
If you want a self defense or hunting load 5.9 to 6.2 gr Unique are appropriate. Just be sure that the bullets have not been sized down too far. It is a cast bullet and will size happily and safely on its way to the rifling. Undersized lead is the primary cause of leading in the bore. Good luck: Brodie
Hornady and Speer were selling their SWC 200s long before I began loading in 8th grade. Any of their books will have info. I always used Unique for non-magnum handgun loads. Just less worrisome than a double load of bullseye in the case.
Still hard for me to believe so many don't own even one loading manual. So much great info at your fingertips. So much to learn just from comparing data.
I have severe arthritis in my right wrist and load down as much as I can. My bullet is the Lee 452-200 SWC clone of the H&G 68. I modded the mold by milling the top down enough to remove the bevel base and it drops a 190gr flat base with range lead. Load is 3.1 grs of Bullseye and to get function I use a 10 pound recoil spring. Before I had issues with my wrist I used the 200 gr RCBS version with 4-4.5 grs of Bullseye and the factory spring (16# IIRC). I like Bullseye as it meters well and is cheap, usually less than $19 a pound. Figure my cost is 4 cents a pop and accuracy is as good as I am capable of (reliably hit 10 inch gong at 50 yards).
4.5 Bullseye is accurate, easy on the gun and shooter with either a 200 or 230 cast or plated projo.
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45 ACP,4.7 grains of 700X , 200 grain RNFP Lee boolit, shoot wonderful. Powder coated of course!!!! Just my .02
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3.9 gr. Of VV-N310 under a 200gr. H&G type SWC. Shot well in my Kimber Hero and Colt Commander.
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