this year was my first afield with new 45-70 guide gun which is just about perfect for hunting in a blind i ordered the noe 460-425 pbhp mold and started off with hard cast lubed bullets they shot well but had very little expansion in my informal testing so onto soft pure lead cast paper patched with 9# 25% cotton onion skin (ebay) i went with the cup point pins as i was shooting 1700fps loads with r7 and the full hollow point showed fragmentation in my testing i was hunting with a friend of mine and we both shot similar sized does with similar shot placement in the lungs though my shot 45-70 broke the spine and he just got lung she ran about 70 yards before falling 270 win 130gr bonded hp both animals were shot at 80 yards
no doubt both gun killed effectively and cleanly he was firm in that i was using too much gun i told him we could settle that bet when the skin came off.....
first up the 45-70 428gr soft lead cup point 1700fps, 2743 ft/lbs at the muzzle 0.5 inch entry 1.5 inch exit
plenty of trauma but very little meat loss going to loose a bit of grind off the shoulder but back straps are not bruised up
next up 270 130 grain 3060fps, 2703ft/lbs at the muzzle 0.5inch entry 1 inch exit
lots of trauma lots of blood shock and bruising probably going to loose a bit of backstrap
while a distance run test would have been interesting as his shot turned the lungs to jelly where as mine only tore a 3 inch hole through them they were both still solid i am confident mine would not have gotten far had her back not ben broken by the shot
after getting the skins off he is coming over to the heavy slow bullet club at least for short range woods hunting in Michigan, out west where 200+ yards in the norm i would go to the fast flat as well