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Thread: 209 primers in a revolver???

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    209 primers in a revolver???

    has anyone heard of such a thing?

    i think it would be the best thing for a revolver if it is possible.

    just thinking out loud

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    with how small the charges are and with using 3fg powders. it would not be worth it.

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    This is a nutty idea.

    There are known accuracy problems being fixed right now, simply by changing out the 209s with small pistol primers on the ML rifles. Kits are being sold for this change.

    The pressure's are erratic with 209s, hence the change out to S pistol.

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    By the time you made a cylinder to take 209's you could just as easy convert to ctg.

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    How about an electronic ignition revolver?

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    I bet CCI #35s would rock in a pistol too.
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    Squirrly Idea

    What a great idea!

    How about one of you machinests making a small revolver that takes #4 or #3 buckshot over a 209 primer. Make it a 36 shot!

    It just may be enough to kick a tree rat out of a tree or a pidgeon off the phonepole

    cheap to shoot, almost silent and fun!

    Inner city fun shooting RATS!


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    tell ya what! i use small rifle primers with aquarium tubing on my m.l. rifles and shotguns. it would require a modified nipple arrangement, but i don't see why it wouldn't be workable. missfires would almost a thing of the past!

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    the rifle primer idea would do just as well.

    i am looking for the most reliable ignition that i can get.

    i always get a new tin of #11 magnum primers every year, but that doesn't guarantee fire everytime.

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    Sorry I have to say it... Get a cartridge gun. The whole charm of shooting a muzzleloader is that it is NOT 100%. Go out hunting with a flinter in the rain and come home with game and you KNOW you have accomplished something.

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    One thing that could work is to use the RWS flangeless musket percussion caps and a larger nipple. I use that on my single shot handgun and get reliable ignition. I suspect that a machinist could make six nipples for a cap and ball that could take the musket caps.


    What I think some people are doing is trying to find a way to increase the performance of muzzleloaders as well as cap and ball revolvers. Right now they are pretty much unregulated unlike modern cartridge arms. It could be something to fall back on if things get ugly in the future.

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    I've been thinking of making "nipples" for my Ruger Old Army to use small pistol primers on it. The price of percussion caps in Canada is double that of the more complex primers. I've already switched to Pyrodex P because it's now cheaper than GOEX 3f. Too bad a BBQ lighter won't reliably fire black powder, that would really be cheap over the several year lifespan of the unit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSO View Post
    By the time you made a cylinder to take 209's you could just as easy convert to ctg.
    Why would you want to do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCSO View Post
    Sorry I have to say it... Get a cartridge gun. The whole charm of shooting a muzzleloader is that it is NOT 100%. Go out hunting with a flinter in the rain and come home with game and you KNOW you have accomplished something.
    I disagree, with all due respect of course. I have been shooting BP for over 30 years and have guns ranging from flinters to inlines. I am a traditionalist in that I use real black powder and have no interest in sabots, but I can definitely see the advantage of using a primer that is cheaper, hotter, and more readily available than the percussion cap. Not as a replacement for flinters and percussion cap guns, but in addition to same.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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