Brian,I'd just like to say I have arms like tree trunks,my wife is cranky and I don't go out much,all because I'm busy de-riming cases,casting cores,swaging cores,seating cores and point forming.So thank you for giving me wife troubles,arms all out of proportions to my other limbs and making me anti-social,on the plus side my mates love you as they now have an endless supply of bullets. Pat