Most PA forest deer are so small an empty beer can can clock them. Have to go southwest for real deer. Washington or greene county. Go to Elk county where an 8 point rack can be covered with fingers touching. I have taken does over 200# where I live and in Ohio. Seen deer in Ohio over 420#. I shot many, many deer in Warren county with bows and a 80# deer was something. Clarion was better but in the winter they ate hemlock.